Kias and Hyundais Keep Getting Stolen by the Thousands and Cities Are Suing | A viral Tiktok trend that began in 2021 demonstrated how the companies failed to install a basic anti-theft technology …::A viral Tiktok trend that began in 2021 demonstrated how the companies failed to install a basic anti-theft technology that made them trivially easy to steal.

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    10 months ago

    It’s worth mentioning that this impacts only US vehicles from those brands.

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        No, but it is the result of deregulation. Similar models sold in Canada don’t have this issue because (drumroll please), federal regulations require immobilizers on new cars. Free market at work folks.

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            A free market requires stringent regulation to function humanely and morally. The two are at odds with each other. My final sentence is a critique of neoliberalism, an ideology in which regulation is reduced and power is given to corporate entities and away from regulators. It’s been impossible to escape in politics since Thatcher and Reagan, and leads to some of the worst aspects of today’s society that we havr to suffer. One of which is the poor people who bought a car assuming it’d be safe, just to find that the companies saved a quick buck to their loss. I hope the people win these lawsuits, but I doubt the justice system has the teeth (or willingness) to prosecute this negligence as it should be.

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              I said this above, and more needs to be said. Insurance companies have raised the rates of basic, liability only, for a salvage title car, by more than 70% increase in the last 3 years. $440/6mo > $770/6mo.

              This is an attack on all motorists in a way I’ve never seen, and a further attack on new car owners who are unwittingly being sold these cars by car dealerships.

              Financially attacking everyone for two car models that have been designed to be targets of “model”, and to allow children to make a mess of their futures. What leverage can we possibly have against this exploitation?

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      10 months ago

      Are you sure? This stuff is happening in Australia too. Something about the key hole size being the exact size as a USB-A cable.

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        10 months ago

        Car thefts are up here anyway, but a lot of it is break and enters where they just get into your house to grab the keys.

        There is a diagnostic USB port in the steering column of the car, they are plugging a cable into that then the car just starts without the key.

        Immobilizers are required here in Australia so it’s not that, I think it just inspired a bunch of kids to go steal cars in other ways.

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      10 months ago

      Can you link any additional information regarding that ? I just got my Hyundai stolen in the EU (from 2019) and last week apparently another one was stolen in the same area.

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        10 months ago

        “Push to start” may stop someone driving off in the car, but they are still targets.

        Thieves smash the windows, hop in, see the lack of key startup, then hop out. You still will end making a call to the police or insurance company.

        Having “Hyundai” or “Kia” anywhere on the car makes them a target of thieves, even with push to start.

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          More needs to be said. Insurance companies have raised the rates of basic, liability only, for a salvage title car, by more than 70% increase in the last 3 years. $440/6mo > $770/6mo.

          This is an attack on all motorists in a way I’ve never seen. Financially attacking everyone for two car models that have been designed to be targets of “model”, and to allow children to make a mess of their futures.

          What leverage can we possibly have against this exploitation?

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    10 months ago

    the companies failed to install a basic anti-theft technology

    Failed to install or weighed the cost of not installing it and kept the profit?

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      10 months ago

      Was it a requirement by law? Obviously not as this seems to be an America thing. So why not change the laws and mandate antithetical devices in cats

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        10 months ago

        This is a law in Canada and to my knowledge these kinds of thefts aren’t happening here. This should be an easy fix.

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        10 months ago

        Technically no, but standards do dictate that measures to prevent unauthorized use be present so I imagine those legal battles will be around that second part, especially with immobilizers being practically standard for every other manufacturer. Changing the laws will be a tough part, we can’t even get reasonable automotive lighting laws on the books or enforced.

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      10 months ago

      I also have to wonder how much it was fueled by the silicone shortage, omitting electronics in order to get a car out the door, as other manufacturers did (albeit in a smarter way, so not that any of this stuff exempts Hyundai/kia from criticism)

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    10 months ago

    How does the recall software update affect this? I did it but not sure if it is just security theater.

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    10 months ago

    Just got home to find out my neighbor’s kia was stolen. Managed to get it back and catch the guys. But his steering column is busted now.

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    10 months ago

    I can’t afford to buy new vehicles, so I’m stuck still driving around in my 2004 - but even that car has a factory-installed immobilizer. It’s weird that it’s not considered a standard option on all models for modern vehicles.

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    10 months ago

    Maybe just encourage the cops to do their job? Or at least shoot different people.

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      10 months ago

      And have cops murder a dude? Nah. I’m not trying to get a guy killed because he stole a car.

      Because I’m not a disgusting piece of shit who thinks a piece of machinery that gets 100% insurance coverage is worth more than a person’s life.

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        10 months ago

        You know, there’s already like a dozen other comments under mine discussing how nobody today can detect sarcasm online. You’re not helping.

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      10 months ago

      Are you kidding me? We want people summarily executed in the streets because they stole a fucking CAR??

      • Sethayy@sh.itjust.works
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        10 months ago

        I think they wanted to highlight that first, let’s not shoot exclusively innocent, then let’s not shoot anyone

        (ik they didn’t put the /s but remember this reactionary behavior is what keeps us separated)

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          10 months ago

          I made the noob mistake of thinking the sarcasm was sufficiently clear. No, let’s just go with random slaughter instead.

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    10 months ago

    I dunno about suing them. Lots of things are easy to steal. If there were a Tik Tok trend of stealing garbage cans, I might make an effort to secure the ones I have, but I wouldn’t sue the garbage can manufacturer for not addressing the possibility of theft if mine were stolen. These cars do have some theft protection, at least to the extent that you can’t accidentally steal them. Car owners should probably do what they can to deter theft, Tik Tok & YouTube should dissuade users from encouraging kids to steal, parents should be more responsible, and (not that it would necessarily help) all cops should stop being bastards

    • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      The lawsuit is because those companies have done nothing to fix their issue.

      If your phone caught fire if you put it near a magnet, you can’t say “Well phone owners should be more responsible.” And at some point, you have to say, “Why the fuck was this allowed to ship?”

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        Most cars used to be ridiculously easy to steal, and people dealt with this situation in a variety of ways. Suing the car manufacturers was not one of these methods.

        I don’t think your phone analogy is at all comparable. A phone catching fire during what anyone might consider normal use isn’t the same kind of product design issue as a car that is no easier to steal than most cars were for most of the history of cars. The old covertible that I had years ago would have been way easier to steal than these cars, for example, both because of simple wiring and simple access to the car interior.

        We can pass the blame for this issue around pretty widely. I don’t think we should just pin all the blame on the car makers

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    10 months ago

    If you bought a cheap Korean car for misers you deserve to have it stolen and you deserve to find metal shavings at the bottom of your oil pan when the cops get it back for you.

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      10 months ago

      “If you can’t afford nice things, then you deserve to have your things stolen from you.”

      You are a dick.

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        10 months ago

        refuses to buy a used Passat like a normal person

        buys Kia Soul

        Soulstolen.webp

        how could this happen

        the stupid deserve this and worse tbh

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      10 months ago

      Note that this only affects the US. Hyundai and Kia are fuckin excellent cars in Europe, it’s just that they can get away with selling any old shite in the states due to the lack of consumer protection and the fact that them daft cunts will buy shit like TVs with advertising built in and internet that costs $100 a month lol

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        Hyundai and Kia are fuckin excellent cars in Europe

        How’s that GDI doing? lol

        lack of consumer protection

        Kia was the only group doing this lol everyone else has had immobilizers since dinosaur times

        the solution here is to just buy ANYTHING ELSE