Meloni heads Italy’s most rightwing government since the second world war. Italy’s criminal code punishes with a fine ranging from €1,000 to €5,000 anyone who “publicly defames the republic”, which includes the government, parliament, the courts and the army.
It’s not defamation if it’s true. Getting punished for stating the obvious is the hallmark of a fascist state. It’s fishy that the original video from Repubblica has been removed.
Per Wikipedia:
Defamation, at a first approximation, is any form of communication that can injure a third party’s reputation.
So it might be slander, dpending on Italy’s laws. :(
That might apply to the ‘piece of shit’ part, but the ‘fascist’ and ‘racist’ part are true, and not damaging her reputation, as her reputation with her voters is built upon these
Literal actual fascists behaving like fascists, surprise surprise.
Yeah this was my thought reading this, too.
Who woulda thunk that when you give the fascists power, they don’t stop being fascists! #surprisedpikachu
“Giorgia Meloni, piece of shit, fascist, racist,” Molko shouted in Italian, as seen in fan videos from the concert posted on social media.
That’s not defamation, that’s a factual news update.
Even calling it a news update isn’t really accurate. It’s more akin to “water is wet.”
More countries really need an irony clause in their constitutions. When the irony gets to this level clearly there are insufficient checks and balances in place.
Meloni is definitely far-right, and comes from a historically fascist party. So he is just stating the facts here.
Do you mean the well the well known racist and fascist Giorgia Meloni?
Is Georgia Menoni known to the rest of the world as anything other but the well known racist and fascist Giorgia Meloni?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandra_Mussolini , proud member of Forza Italia and defender of her grandfather.
She blocked me on Twitter just for telling her a really cool fact: there’s an emoji of her grandfather. It’s this one! 🙃
I don’t understand.
Look up how her grandfather died.
I thought he was shot, didn’t know the rest.
Grandpa’s last look into this world was being hung upside down and killed
I didn’t realise there was a rope element, just thought he was shot.
She did good, clearly you werent looking for a discussion …
Fascists don’t deserve a discussion.
Than don’t complain when they block you XD
Saves me the trouble of blocking them.
Now, what I would do if I were Brian Molko is I would absolutely go to trial. Turn it in a show. Either I get convicted, in which case, Meloni looks even more like a fascist, or I get exonerated, in which case, it’s the courts that are accepting that she’s a fascist.
5000E is not an issue, he can fundraise that in an afternoon.
GO BRIAN
Gotta love the dipshits in the replies pushing the whole “the left calls anyone who disagrees with them a fascist!!1!” while conveniently leaving out any and all context as to what they’re disagreeing about. ~Cherri
TIL about Italy’s shunning of their past in contrast to the “collective guilt” felt by Germans after WWII
The fact that the Italian military & it’s leaders were spared from the Nuremberg Trials made this all the easier.
Sometimes it feels that Italy consists entirely of pasta, fascism and 🤌.
Have you ever heard of Mafia. Bc if you come to this country they will mostly collectively lie and tell you" Hun? Naaaa that’s gone". You live here for a while and you like, oh ok, we just pretending it’s gone nice.
Italy has a real hardware love for fascism, it’s part of the culture, unfortunately. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go full Nazi in the coming decades.
After WW2 italian socialist and communist parties where between the strongest ones in non USRR europe (if not the number one), but let’s just spout random nonsense for no reason
While the extreme right wing never disappeared, they were as much as a niche as the extreme left.
The country stayed between the left and the center until well into the 90s when a moderate right became more prominent and started to be closer to a 50/50 split
The general right wing radicalization we’re seeing now is way more recent and it’s hardly a phenomenon exclusive to Italy.
I totally agree that the current Italian government is ridiculous and that this problem with extreme right wing populism is becoming very serious in most western countries, Italy included.
But comparing this to a culture ingrained love for fascism when fascism didn’t last for even 1% of Italian history and culture is just asinine and ignorant.
This kind of attitude is ironically very similar to the racism you’re trying to criticize
With operation Gladio Italy was the core place for neonazi terrorist groups that received paramilitary training and funding by the US and carried out multiple terrorist attacks to be blamed on the left. It is hard to believe that the Italian government wouldnt have known and tolerated theses activities too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
Italy has a real hardware love for fascism
yup even italian computers are infected
I swear to god that I typed hardcore. lol
Ah, yes, nothing like forbidding people from calling out fascism to prove your government isn’t fascist.
how to tell if youre in a facist state:
the person accusing the facist goes to jailNobody went to jail.
Then it’s not a fascist state. Moving on
Pretty much. I don’t think people here know what a fascist state really is…
Historically, fascists didn’t start off with genocide. First, they got democratically elected…
Not what’s happening now,like at all XD
The nazis started by targeting lgbtq+ people. I wonder what scapegoat the far right has settled on these days?
Exactly like how it’s happening in every other country…
Anytime Meloni gets upset about anything I just remind her to be like her grandpa and turn that frown upside down.
You’re thinking of Alessandra Mussolini.
Dang, thought this one was related to him too. We can still turn them upside down though right?
Need a lot more people to get a lot more radical first.
As Porco Rosso said: “I’d rather be a pig than a fascist”. Be like Porco Rosso…
Porko Rosso
Unless there’s a pun I’m missing here
“rather be a pig” and pork=pig meat
The character’s name is already Red Pig in Italian, though?
Yes but this is internationally friendly
For “contempt of the institutions.”
At first I thought they were talking about Placebo Domino.
I think you mean Plácido Domingo.
Placebo Domingo LMAO
*Domino
I’ve been surprised that some western countries have laws like this. A French woman has also been fined for insulting Macron.
The public prosecution department in Germany let someone’s home got searched because he called a conservative politician “Du bist so 1 Pimmel” (“you are such a penis”) via Twitter.
At the same time the public prosecution department in Germany regularly refuses to take action against hate speech when aimed against other people. Even other politicians.
And since many people do not really understand our jurisdiction, they believe it is enough to protest against the police.
I wonder what their response would be to a bunch of lemmings outside the reach of Germany’s laws doing the same?
To be exact, there is a difference between insult and defamation
I’m not too sure about the technicalities either, so I’m not sure if insulting is also a problem.
But declamation requires saying something false to ruin the other person’s reputation, and it’s actually a crime even against normal people
declamation requires saying something false to ruin the other person’s reputation
*defamation
Declamation is a form of rhetoric.
Thank you, I didn’t notice the typo!
It’s almost like making laws against free speech is a slippery slope.
It can be, but not all speech is free, not even in the US.
Them’s fighting words.
Nope. There’s a bunch of thoughts and speech acts that don’t contribute anything. There’s a reason the swastika and other Nazi codes/insignia are outlawed in Germany. “We just need to exterminate the Jews for a better life for everyone else” is similarly outlawed under an incitement to genocide clause.
There are very good reasons to put barriers on absolutely free speech.
What i meant was actually, fighting words are not protected under free speech in the USA. Not disagreeing, just making a funny.
Not just that, slander, defamation, hate speech, harassment can all be speech yet you can get sued and will have to pay for that sort of speech. Actually the US is basically the same as most other western countries, the „only the US allows free speech“-simpletons couldn’t be further off.
