• AggressivelyPassive@feddit.de
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    11 months ago

    I’ve read these stories multiple times now and I still don’t quite understand what’s happening.

    Why do these people think, burning down the offices does anything? I mean, the “scammers” apparently tell them, it’s their patriotic duty to do so, but what weird mixture of slave mentality and superiority complex do you have to have to think it’s your duty to burn down military buildings for some shady kabal of a patriotic underground?

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      11 months ago

      Are you saying the story the Russian media is telling makes no sense? Because on that I agree, but it’s hard to understand if that’s what you mean, it’s just my best guess.

      This kind of narrative, “Our enemies are weak willed patsies falling for phone scams and simultaneously dangerous and capable insurrectionists,” is typical of fascist propaganda. It’s Umberto Eco’s 8th feature of fascism: “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

      If you’re wondering why people are really doing it:

      It sends a very clear message: stop forcing children to die for your invasion.

      Also, the offices exist to facilitate the process of enlistment, so it stands to reason that if they’re destroyed then that process will be slowed, even if just for a while.

      People putting their lives on the line to resist imperialism aren’t going to hear much criticism from me.

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        11 months ago

        No, the story the “arsonists” are telling makes no sense. And there’s too little information out there to determine whether this is just a fabrication by the Russian state or actually what happened.

        Both are stupid, but in slightly different ways.

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          11 months ago

          Of course the Russian state is lying. You can tell because what they’re saying makes no sense. Also because they’re the Russian state. They have an explicit strategy that they call the firehose of disinformation.

          As for the other story, I mean it might make sense if it’s a false flag, who knows? The Russian state can send people to invade Ukraine, it can send people to burn down a couple of buildings.

          Edit: I am making a note of this typo edit just to highlight the fact that “sfate” is a funny word.

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          11 months ago

          I mean tbf the track record is very clear. Russia can’t be trusted. But ofc you are right, we also don’t know if we can trust the arsonists.

          I have a feeling those arsonists are trying to put this on state actors so the Russian government has to distance themselves this making their story even more confusing and less plausible. I think it’s just a novel way to attack the Russian narrative.

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      11 months ago

      Well, it doesn’t make it easier to enlist. And it doesn’t target civilians. And it sends the message that there are folks operating in the area that have the means to do these things. No matter who it is.

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        11 months ago

        Look up, who this is. Grandmas. And they claim to act on behalf of some patriotic group in the government that is actually pro war.

        And that just doesn’t make sense. 90 years old women standing in the middle of the street with Molotov cocktails. Literally, that’s no exaggeration.

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          11 months ago

          Nothing makes sense in Russia and never did. Just relax and enjoy the show!

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      11 months ago

      It seems much more probable that russians just don’t want to be drafted. Of course Russia blames Ukraine, but it’s a pretty far out story to be pass even as fake news.

      Anyway, even if it’s true, it doesn’t exactly put Russians in a good light, if they’re so incredibly dumb that they can be scammed into setting fire to military offices.

      It’s a Russia-problem either way, and their reaction is to wave their arms around.

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        11 months ago

        That’s what I was thinking too …

        N russians have their dumb people like any other culture.

        But ye; to me it would make more sense that some antiwar russians mighta done it; just because what else can they really do to fight this regime?

        They tried protesting, they tried fleeing ETC. + they’re not wanted anywhere even if they did succeed in their escape…

        Sooo idk…

        One thing I bet on ; is after the war ( if there is an after ) the world should help reform / rebuild russia n bring in democracy or else russia will ALWAYS go back to it’s inhumane/corrupt/brutal/shitty ways …

        This is a country that NEVER had a democracy so it needs intervention 1000% ASAP… Plus I wouldn’t mind if russia in 'turn gave up some of its land/territory/labor/resources to form new countries for refugees, natives, Gypsies, Minorities ETC …
        {Goes without saying after the war Russia should absolutely pay reparations to Ukraine and EU too}