Despite being a free product, free search engines make a lot of money. Kagi’s Why Pay for Search says that, “In 2022 Google generated USD $224.47 Billion dollars from advertisement revenue while processing approximately 8 Billion searches per day. At 365 days per year this amounts to approximately USD $0.07 revenue per search. If an average user searches 5 times per day, assuming a 30 day month this results in Google generating USD $11 revenue per user per month.
This is not a genuine article it is a bot written propaganda piece, full of spelling errors and covertly advertising a product.
It states that Kaji is the best when actually they are clearly the worst, they do record your IP to deliver their services and they do share your data with a notorious 3rd party tracking company- sentry.io.
If you pay them then everything you do on their site is linked directly do you. I.e. zero privacy.
These “articles” from unknown websites such as ioslife are clearly native ads, this one for Kaji.
There is a reason why the other user noticed this website is on malicious blocklists.
Kajis marketing agency has a lot of bots on this platform so it will get upvotes and “users” will chime in with comments on how much they agree with the “article” and provide customer testimonials about how they are also satisfied paying customers but this post is fooling nobody.
Its thinly veiled ad copy, a classic native ad with an ai content generated twist.
These “articles” from unknown websites su h ad ioslife are clearly a native ads, this one for Kaji.
Kaijis marketing agency has a lot of bots on this platform so it will get upvotes and but you are fooling nobody.
Clearly you didn’t read my post either. The post is criticizing the “article” posted on a domain (that is on malicious domain bloocklist), not the company that the article is advertising.
If I got the name of the product wrong clearly my post is not motivated by pushing brand and product recognition, I am instead commenting on the clear biased attempt to manipulate.
Your post on the other hand takes the opportunity to share additional unsolicited information about this company’s products. Now we are all more informed on this company’s payment methods, well done, very organic post indeed.
Hey could you point me to the blocklist that my domain is currently on? I am not able to find it on any public list. It also would be extremeley surprising to me if it was on a list as this is the first article I have shared with the world.
Right in email they’re trying to get around spam filters. This is a blog, aka a website. Somewhere in this thread (curse Lemmy clients) someone pointed out the misspelled words and they were rather basic.
As a web developer familiar with SEO: still not making the connection. And from what I’m seeing lately in the comments here and elsewhere Lemmy seems to be full of people just jumping to conclusions rather quickly.
Your response really doesn’t answer anything. Spammers and/or bots misspell words in emails. Okay? And that’s related how?
You’re claiming that it’s written by a bot simply due to spelling errors. I don’t believe you so I’m legitimately asking what the motivation would be, and you just say “well they misspell.”
Guess who else misspells things? Have you read any recently news publication? They’re just full of spelling and grammar mistakes. Look at me — I can misspell thigns too, I must be a bot.
Yeah that’s not really an answer, and the reason I’d like you to actually think about it is because I believe you’re confused what the difference is between a “bot” and a simple text generator.
Sentry is a well known and notorious user tracking telemetry company. Any company that is passing along any data “anonymous” or otherwise to these bad actors has no business being discussed here. This is a privacy community. You can go read about what sentry does on Exodus privacy.
Well known by whom? Notorious in what way? A bad actor in what way? You’re pulling words and judgments out of your ass. And no, you can’t read about what sentry.io does on Exodus Privacy, because the site is not listed there. Oops.
Its interesting to see that sentry is not on the exodus website. I emailed them once when another tracking analytics product was not listed on the website and they said it was an omission and added it. I believe the list is not automated.
On the other hand, exodus has a OSS app on fdroid called classyshark. When you point it to an app, it scans the source of every Java class and reports exactly which methods contain tracking code. You can even read the methods themselves and see exactly what data is being collected and sent. Note: this is true, real time source evidence and far superior to any company’s “trust us bro” privacy policy.
I use FOSS only software on my devices and do not install apps with 3rd party tracking, telemetry and analytics but if I recall correctly, if you run the exodus tool against some of the Mozilla based browsers like Fennec or Mull I believe that you can see the sentry code in action there. Sentry is a popular analytics company, they collect and aggregate telemetry data, that is what they do. There can be little privacy expectations when apps on your phone or websites you visit are collecting and sending your generated data to 3rd party companies. Almost all of these companies also share this data with their 3rd party “business partners”. So once the data is out of your control, it is virtually destined to end up aggregated with data brokers. Sentry is popular so it will be in a lot of other apps as well but I didn’t see any on my device.
“I believe”, “If I recall correctly”, “I believe” … Yeah, but you’re wrong. Wrong about this and wrong about everything else. You don’t even understand what sentry.io does, and what kind of information they receive from their customers.
I didn’t say you were a bot I said the article was written by a bot.
You likely wrote something like this:
Openai: write a short article comparing 3 search engines cite a short paragraph from each engines privacy policy but conclude that Kaji is the most secure in the last paragraph and recommend it. It should be suitable for posting on social media.
You do seem like a marketing agency however as you keep promoting the details of this paid search product in each post reply.
Well now, that would’ve saved me a lot of time and research. I also wouldn’t have learned nearly as much from reading all the different privacy policies. Luckily, I didn’t do that which allowed me to create my own personal recommendations for my family and myself.
I want to reiterate that I have no affiliation with Kagi or any other search engine, I currently don’t even pay for Kagi. I am just a human on the hunt for the best search engine to protect my family’s privacy.
That said, I just saw your update regarding Sentry.
Looking at Kagi’s Privacy Policy, there are two things to say in response to
It states that Kaji is the best when actually they are clearly the worst, they do record your IP to deliver their services and they do share your data with a notorious 3rd party tracking company- sentry.io.
“We do not log or store your IP address. Your IP address is used only temporarily when enriching location/maps searches, and is not shared with any other party.”
“Anonymous logs are shared with Sentry when bugs, crashes, or warnings occur for debugging purposes.”
Also:
If you pay them then everything you do on their site is linked directly do you. I.e. zero privacy.
“Searches are anonymous and private to you. Kagi does not log and associate searches with an account.”
This is not a genuine article it is a bot written propaganda piece, full of spelling errors and covertly advertising a product.
It states that Kaji is the best when actually they are clearly the worst, they do record your IP to deliver their services and they do share your data with a notorious 3rd party tracking company- sentry.io.
If you pay them then everything you do on their site is linked directly do you. I.e. zero privacy.
These “articles” from unknown websites such as ioslife are clearly native ads, this one for Kaji.
There is a reason why the other user noticed this website is on malicious blocklists.
Kajis marketing agency has a lot of bots on this platform so it will get upvotes and “users” will chime in with comments on how much they agree with the “article” and provide customer testimonials about how they are also satisfied paying customers but this post is fooling nobody.
Its thinly veiled ad copy, a classic native ad with an ai content generated twist.
I didn’t even read OP’s post but…
It’s Kagi not Kaji. If you’re going to criticize something at least get the name right.
Privacy is not anonymity… and it’s a pev of mine that people confuse this.
However, you can get pretty close to anonymity paying them in crypto:
https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/payment-methods.html
👎
Clearly you didn’t read my post either. The post is criticizing the “article” posted on a domain (that is on malicious domain bloocklist), not the company that the article is advertising.
If I got the name of the product wrong clearly my post is not motivated by pushing brand and product recognition, I am instead commenting on the clear biased attempt to manipulate.
Your post on the other hand takes the opportunity to share additional unsolicited information about this company’s products. Now we are all more informed on this company’s payment methods, well done, very organic post indeed.
This is a privacy community not a commercial.
Hey could you point me to the blocklist that my domain is currently on? I am not able to find it on any public list. It also would be extremeley surprising to me if it was on a list as this is the first article I have shared with the world.
If it’s a bot then why the spelling errors? Not understanding the logic here.
Ever see spelling errors in spam? They do that on purpose.
Right in email they’re trying to get around spam filters. This is a blog, aka a website. Somewhere in this thread (curse Lemmy clients) someone pointed out the misspelled words and they were rather basic.
As a web developer familiar with SEO: still not making the connection. And from what I’m seeing lately in the comments here and elsewhere Lemmy seems to be full of people just jumping to conclusions rather quickly.
Your response really doesn’t answer anything. Spammers and/or bots misspell words in emails. Okay? And that’s related how?
Bot output can have spelling errors. Example given. Simple as that.
You’re claiming that it’s written by a bot simply due to spelling errors. I don’t believe you so I’m legitimately asking what the motivation would be, and you just say “well they misspell.”
Guess who else misspells things? Have you read any recently news publication? They’re just full of spelling and grammar mistakes. Look at me — I can misspell thigns too, I must be a bot.
Yeah that’s not really an answer, and the reason I’d like you to actually think about it is because I believe you’re confused what the difference is between a “bot” and a simple text generator.
I simply answered that. Bot output can have spelling errors. Nothing more was said or implied.
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They pass your data to sentry, a notorious telemetry company. Go read their privacy policy if you want a scare.
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Sentry is a well known and notorious user tracking telemetry company. Any company that is passing along any data “anonymous” or otherwise to these bad actors has no business being discussed here. This is a privacy community. You can go read about what sentry does on Exodus privacy.
Well known by whom? Notorious in what way? A bad actor in what way? You’re pulling words and judgments out of your ass. And no, you can’t read about what sentry.io does on Exodus Privacy, because the site is not listed there. Oops.
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Its interesting to see that sentry is not on the exodus website. I emailed them once when another tracking analytics product was not listed on the website and they said it was an omission and added it. I believe the list is not automated.
On the other hand, exodus has a OSS app on fdroid called classyshark. When you point it to an app, it scans the source of every Java class and reports exactly which methods contain tracking code. You can even read the methods themselves and see exactly what data is being collected and sent. Note: this is true, real time source evidence and far superior to any company’s “trust us bro” privacy policy.
I use FOSS only software on my devices and do not install apps with 3rd party tracking, telemetry and analytics but if I recall correctly, if you run the exodus tool against some of the Mozilla based browsers like Fennec or Mull I believe that you can see the sentry code in action there. Sentry is a popular analytics company, they collect and aggregate telemetry data, that is what they do. There can be little privacy expectations when apps on your phone or websites you visit are collecting and sending your generated data to 3rd party companies. Almost all of these companies also share this data with their 3rd party “business partners”. So once the data is out of your control, it is virtually destined to end up aggregated with data brokers. Sentry is popular so it will be in a lot of other apps as well but I didn’t see any on my device.
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Funny that once you pulled out actual information, they had nothing to say. Classic.
“I believe”, “If I recall correctly”, “I believe” … Yeah, but you’re wrong. Wrong about this and wrong about everything else. You don’t even understand what sentry.io does, and what kind of information they receive from their customers.
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TIL I am a bot. :)
I also made it a point not to state anything is the best or the worst and mentioned that the choice is up to you and your threat model.
Also, thanks to @digger@lemmy.ca for pointing out my typos. I have fixed them now.
I didn’t say you were a bot I said the article was written by a bot.
You likely wrote something like this:
Openai: write a short article comparing 3 search engines cite a short paragraph from each engines privacy policy but conclude that Kaji is the most secure in the last paragraph and recommend it. It should be suitable for posting on social media.
You do seem like a marketing agency however as you keep promoting the details of this paid search product in each post reply.
Well now, that would’ve saved me a lot of time and research. I also wouldn’t have learned nearly as much from reading all the different privacy policies. Luckily, I didn’t do that which allowed me to create my own personal recommendations for my family and myself.
I want to reiterate that I have no affiliation with Kagi or any other search engine, I currently don’t even pay for Kagi. I am just a human on the hunt for the best search engine to protect my family’s privacy.
That said, I just saw your update regarding Sentry.
Looking at Kagi’s Privacy Policy, there are two things to say in response to
“We do not log or store your IP address. Your IP address is used only temporarily when enriching location/maps searches, and is not shared with any other party.”
“Anonymous logs are shared with Sentry when bugs, crashes, or warnings occur for debugging purposes.”
Also:
“Searches are anonymous and private to you. Kagi does not log and associate searches with an account.”