Use an ad-filled browser controlled by a megacorp, with an engine built by another megacorp?
Hmmm, I dunno
Even better. After you’ve explicitly triggered the default change MS is like “have you tried the all new megacorp spyware? It’s not actually new, but identical to the spyware we already installed and absolutely nothing has changed in the last 10 seconds since you made the decision, but we figured we’d throw another churn barrier at you because fuck you; we own your OS. You’re our product now bitch, and that’s all you’ll ever be”
Sad but true
Don’t forget the OS built by a megacorp snorkeling up all your data anyways
…that they ask you to actually pay for the privilege. Because remember, windows isn’t actually free (and you pay for it if you buy a pre-built).
I feel it’s important to point out that you can simply not activate Windows and use it indefinitely
Does make you wonder though where Microsoft is getting that money from
Corporate Users. My guess is, that almost any office job where you work on a Computer has Windows as OS. You have a license for your job. The license for home usage is bonus money to Microsoft.
At least I can mostly opt out there. Or use Linux
Sure if you trust that the opt-out switches actually work.
They must do something, or Windows wouldn’t constantly turn them back on with every other update.
Maybe that’s just what they want you to think.
and don’t get reset the next update.
Well, on the other hand, said megacorp finances the only other engine (Gecko, Blink being a fork of Apples Webkit), so they don’t have to bother with monopoly restrictions.
Current web is broken.
I realize this, but technically Mozilla is still an independent entity. They also fight some Google attempts at Web DRM, so it’s still healthy competition
aren’t they the same megacorp
I think they’re referring to the fact that Edge runs on the Chromium engine which, as the name implies, is a Google product.
Edge started itself on boot after a recent Windows update. It even had a little pop-up about how “helpful” it was to have it start right when my computer turns on so I can “get to browsing” faster. It’s never been set as my default. Uhg.
Make sure you go into the settings and turn everything off. It’ll run in the background and do God knows what even though you’ve turned off startup.
And then on next update go turn it off again, since they’ll enable everything again. Rinse and repeat for eternity. Or switch to Linux and be done with their shenanigans.
If you sped through edge’s first launch wizard recently it’s now scraping your browsing data from other browsers.
Yeah I think they learned that from wavebrowser
https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil
Run this after every update, specifically the tweak that uninstalls Edge. Makes things a lot easier. It also gives you the option to delay feature updates by two years and only install security updates on time.
Well, I switched to Edge for work with the latest Chrome update (since internal apps were Chromium only), and was pleasantly surprised. It actually let me turn off almost all the junk, and is responsive in a way I haven’t seen in a Chromium browser in years.
Safari and Firefox for personal use though, and nothing compelling to make me change that.
The performance is pretty on-par with other major browsers now, but it is the obscene amount of popups built into the browser that irritates me.
I use edge for work every day, what popups?
Once you set it up it’s fine, but on first opening you have to click through a bunch of menus (no, I don’t want to share data, no I don’t want to sync my account, and so on). In other browsers it’s a small popup in the corner which you can ignore, and just google what you wanted to google. In edge they’re fullscreen and you have to click no on each one.
Probably a rather unique problem because I regularly set up new machines, most people just go through it once and never see it again.
You hit the nail right on its head! It’s pretty bad that there is no skip all option, and for some of them you have to manually uncheck before continuing.
I’m in the same situation as you where I often work on fresh virtual machines, and so I see this a lot too.
May be worth building a default config to “install” for those setups; that’s saved me quite some time when configuring new/spare machines at work.
Same I’m a developer who uses edge as my daily driver and once setup right I love it
I use arc on my mac and it’s nowhere near as nice as that, but I like the side tabs, the way it gets out of the way when I’m searching, and bing isn’t too bad; I’ve actually used it a few times. Once I found a customizable start page I haven’t looked back. Again, for work
There’s the shopping popup that tries to find better deals or vouchers for products you’re looking at. It’s easy to turn off though.
Searching the settings for “notification” does show others - a feature called Discover and sidebar apps seem to be able to send notifications but I’ve never seen either.
Maybe look at
BromiteCromite? Open Source Chromium browser where you don’t need to disable anythingBromite has not been updated since January.
One of the old Bromite contributors forked it: https://github.com/uazo/cromite
Yes, that one. Thanks for pointing it out
Mulch to
its based off of chromium, so one would expect it to be as fast as most modern browsers.
its the annoyances built on top of them, and user privacy that matters in a browser nowadays
Same, I’m only allowed to use either Chrome or Edge on my work laptop, so I chose Edge.
Librewolf on my personal laptop and Firefox on mobile tho.
Bonus for Librewolf!
I love Firefox… But the listicle ads are seriously tacky and annoying. I do not want Pocket. And I do not want Pocket randomly re-enabled after a set of updates.
If you need to use Chromium, just use Ungoogled-Chromium or Brave. But Firefox/LibreWolf will always be superior.
Don’t worry Gill it will set itself back as default next Tuesday
I’ve never had that happen. Either the US version of Windows is fucked, or people are bullshitting hard.
I’m in the US and have never ran into half of the stuff people say MS forces on them on a daily basis.
I think this has a lot to do with what license you bought. My old Win8 Pro key install has never had ads and shit pop back up or re-enable candy crush or whatever. One of our shitty laptops at work with a win10 home license I absolutely dread updating because there is some new bullshit nearly every time.
I’m on 11 home. :/
Same
I had it happen once after a windows update. What it has done is put a shortcut on my desktop enough times that I wrote a script to check for and delete them whenever it does.
What is does do way too often is make itself my default PDF viewer. I’ve got Adobe Acrobat Pro and Bluebeam. I have zero reason to ever want to see a PDF in Edge.
I’m still on 10, but half the shit I see people complain about with Windows I’ve never experienced personally. Maybe I’m just lucky? Maybe I just read? I don’t know, but I’m not having the same experience as a lot of people on here.
In general any bad thing about windows that it manages to fixes still gets commented about online for several years after the fact. For example: BSODs stopped being a regular thing in windows user’s life very long ago, but it took another 10 years after that for people to stop making BSOD jokes online.
Ironically enough, I actually did have my first blue screen in likely 5+ years yesterday. I was so shocked by it I wasn’t even mad, just impressed it’s been so long.
There was a while there where it would default to Edge for PDFs and as a web browser after a update. Quite annoying for a factory full of PCs that I wanted to use Chrome and Adobe Reader instead.
I tried Edge for a bit but stuck with chrome. Recently I’ve gone back to Firefox but I’ve not had one of those major updates yet that even tries to get me to log into Microsoft as a log in so it will be interesting when that happens again if Edge shows up as the default.
I have to use Acrobat for my job. If it opened it up in Edge every time instead, I’d go nuts.
From time to time when you update windows it’ll show you a welcoming setup again similar to the first time you logged in. In that process it will try to convince you to setup some Microsoft stuff on your pc, including changing default apps, but it shouldn’t do it on its own.
But sometimes it does. It happened once for me this year.
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What does “built for Windows 10” even mean? It’s just a browser. It’s even cross platform.
Almost everything that runs on Windows was built for Windows. So it’s a true statement, but pointless. That’s like BF Goodrich advertising their tires as “built for cars”.
😂
“Designed for Windows Me Millennium Edition”
NO WONDER I CANT GET IT TO RUN ON SOLARIS!!
You’re right, clicked it away so many times over the years and never stopped to think what a silly statement that was. I feel like it was for a time when 10 was a new shiny ‘mysterious’ thing, that it might convince people into thinking it needed something special, but has just aged like milk.
That unlike teams, which they didn’t bother to build for windows and instead used a webapp, they actually bothered to use their own ui tools on their own operating system for a change? (But I guess they only did that so that teams could be a webapp, based on edge…)
Maybe they meant it integrates well with other windows 10 apps?
Integrates how?
It’s integrated into the OS
In what way is it “integrated”? Please, I’d love to know.
Microsoft Edge is integrated with File Explorer in Windows 10 through a feature called “Pick up where you left off”. This feature allows users to resume their browsing session from Microsoft Edge directly within File Explorer.
Their other apps use it or part of it in the background.
Kind of like old Windows apps always used Explorer when they needed a browser
I wouldn’t be surprised if the start menu was using Edge for their search/ads
You’re telling me, that Windows now shows ads in the start menu?
Sorry, it’s probably a stupid question, but i haven’t used windows since XP.
Most are in your system notifications but you’ll have “suggested apps” in the start menu for easy one-click installs
When you try to log out you’ll see ads for OneDrive and Office 365 apparently
There’s this
Edge was a win when it first came out. It had its own rendering engine, was fast and svelte.
Now it’s just another bloated Chrome clone overstuffed with privacy-invading marketing features.
Same story every time. Something good turns into shit because they need to add marketing.
I’m shocked Microsoft hasnt fucked up VS Code yet. Someone much smarter than average is running that team at Microsoft.
Oh now you’ve gone and jinxed it.
Nah the future for VS Code looks dark imo. They own VS Code, Github, NPM and Copilot and everything they touch turns into shit.
It turned bad because a bunch of users refused to use it because they remembered never updating past IE8 and made jokes about it lagging behind the competition
VS Code is the fucked up version of Code OSS
It’s because they make their devtool money off of enterprise licensing costs, and they get those costs by getting developers to be okay using their devtools.
The tool is the advertisement for building software for Windows. If it gets too miserable to use the tools or build for the ecosystem, then some companies won’t prioritize windows software, and developers will prefer jobs doing something else. It’s got to be good enough so that decision makers at software companies don’t start hearing that windows software takes three quarters longer to develop.
Web developers are already targeting their browser as an afterthought, and mobile developers are pretty pulled into to apple ecosystem, since you can develop android apps on a Mac, but you can only use a Mac to make iPhone apps.Without developers, applications lag, and they lose business and consumer market share, which costs them more developers.
Hence: visual studio is fine, and they keep adding azure features to GitHub and tying it all to visual studio.VSCode is way too open-sourced and forked to hell for them to try and put that genie back into the bottle.
Y’all I dislike forced browser adoption as much as the next guy.
And I’ve been using Firefox for years and years and years now.
But, I’m forced to use edge for work. And, as a browser purely, none of the anti-trust baggage attached…
It’s really not too bad. A lot of things work just fine. And sometimes, if I’m having weird performance on a website on a personal device, loading the same URL in edge has resulted in improved/expected functionality of the website
Yes, when I have used Edge it’s been absolutely fine. Probably better than Chrome. I’d likely be quite happy to use it most of the time if it wasn’t for the fact that Microsoft are so intent on forcing me to do so.
I mostly use Vivaldi now which I think is by far the best of the Chromium-based browsers.
IE was like that for a while too. Never again.
with the amount of updates I think Edge is better than chrome now, but I still use firefox
Edge isn’t terrible at all. That’s why it’s such a risk to browser diversity and competition
Yeah the problem with memes like this is (according to market share) that there are people that switch from Edge to Chrome and think they are actually using a better product
Change your job
I continue to use Firefox because I started using it a while ago and would rather not switch. I have to use Edge for school and it’s legitimately equal to Firefox in many ways. With Bing AI added, Edge blows Firefox out of the water.
The only reason Bing AI only works on Edge is because Bing AI specifically checks for edge. There was an extension that made it work on Firefox by simply lying about the browser, but Microsoft DMCA’d the developer.
This joke was funny when Chrome was superior, but now Edge is actually better.
maybe, but they are both proprietry spyware and chromium based. firefox is better than both
Mozilla isn’t exactly perfect either
or try librewolf.
Then try Waterfox
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Edge is stuff tacked on Chromium. How can it be better?!
Isn’t chrome also based on chromium? I would argue they are equally bad, because both are proprietary.
When I see the current version of Edge I’m reminded of those bloatware-packed OEM Windows preinstalls adding useless toolbars to Internet Explorer, except this time it’s a sidebar.
I’m disappointed, and when asked by people I recommend replacing Edge. Preferably with Firefox, but even Chrome is better.
Edge is my daily driver and has been for a couple of years. Seems faster than Chrome, but maybe that’s just my perception.
I think these haters are hating because Microsoft. Or, they’re too ignorant to realize Edge is Chrome under the hood.
I wouldn’t have a problem with Edge if it wasn’t always running in the background, it’s quite spooky. Not to talk about when it gives me the popups to not change the browser, it is my computer and I will do what I want with it
Firefox always runs in the background on my PC also. I’m sure there’s a way to disable it, but by default it’s always there.
Sometimes you let some apps linger but edge is in the background from the beginning. And I’m sure you can disable an option in firefox but to get rid of edge the only option is the command line and erasing all of its files until the next update comes around
There is a setting in Edge to stop it running in the background after it’s closed (it shouldn’t do that in the first place, but this is at least useful because if you don’t turn off the web links in your Start menu search results, Edge can be triggered to open by accident from there and then continue to run in the BG after you close it).
Still on Windows 10 and I haven’t noticed Edge running in the background on startup (and obviously I have it set not to do that in Windows). I’m guessing though that it’s possible it might always be on if you use Cortana? I always have Cortana off too.
False. Just patently false.
Not sure if it really could be faster than Chrome since they share the same web renderer (chromium) but Edge is definitely better optimised than Chrome when it comes to memory usage since MS has a better understanding of how its own OS works on a lower system level.
We use Edge in our company for the integration since off of our users are on 365.
On some hold outs that kept trying to cling on to Chrome, I just changed the beachball shortcut on their desktop to open Edge instead. None of them have noticed the change over a year later.
Finally someone talking sense.
Gee Bing. You really are pathetic. Respect yourself dude.
Firefox FTW.
How it’s on android? Have they added back extensions?
Yes there’s extensions.
Had they ever removed extentions?
the most useful extensions for android firefox - ublock origin, there is already (and many more). Also, mozilla is working on bringing all desktop add-ons to mobile and everyone can contribute.
The Mull version of Firefox has always had extension support, never even knew the official version had even removed it. Mull is otherwise identical with some hardening against tracking and removed telemetry. I’ve also never had issues with sites breaking which can be otherwise common with hardening
Android extensions work, even on ancient versions. Not all extensions of course, but the important ones.
I switched from Chrome to Edge and initially was really impressed. But then Microsoft had to go and Bing it all up. So now it’s back to Firefox after a 15 year hiatus.
You want something even better? Check out LibreWolf. It’s Firefox with all the privacy features preconfigured, uBlock Origin preinstalled and all the crap like Pocket and sponsored websites removed. And of course it uses DuckDuckGo instead of Google by default.
That duckduckgo default is the thing that aggravates me the most. Sometimes those results just don’t cut it but I don’t even have the option to chance my default browser. I had to bookmark google
Use Startpage or an instance of Whoogle. They are both meta search engines for Google, they allow you to search on Google without exposing your data to Google. If you are a user of Mullvad VPN, you can also use Leta, their own Google meta search engine.
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Sorry Gil, it’s still chromium ;c
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Fuck no, I’m not particularly a fan of how it forces itself on you like Brock Turner (the rapist).
It can go and join IE in whatever pit of hell we threw IE in
If you wanna say that Chrome is trash and people should use Firefox, Opera, Safari or whatever else is currently trending among privacy focused people that I can agree with (Even if I personally won’t make the switch)
But Edge is NOT the answer, Edge is NEVER the answer. At this point I’m starting to wonder if all these Edge people in here are being paid by MS
There are some things from reddit I hope never come over here, but shitting on the rapist Brock Turner is always welcome in my books.
Welcome to the boat, I tried edge from all the people recommending it on reddit and I hate it
And the rapist analogy is not enough for how bad it is, it’ll copy everything from your default browser without your permission (or I somehow missed it)
Like I was caught by surprise when all my bookmarks, passwords, etc were just straight up copied by that privacy intruding piece of crap.
Fuck edge
Definitely missed it. It doesn’t grab everything without permission, but probably wants to stay out of the way so you do pull it all in
Edge is probably my favourite chromium browser. Seems like you care too much.
How long is Microsoft going to play this game? We don’t want your browser and we didn’t want it since Netscape. No one trusts you.
For as long as they want. What we want doesn’t matter. They are a very large company, so what they want is above what we want.
Obviously
I want it. I use it.
Team edge!
I want it
Bizarre
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