I’ve been considering paying for a European provider, mounting their service with rclone, and thus being transparent to most anything I host.
How do y’all backup your data?
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Prayer
You don’t have to worry about the backups. It the data recovery that will require divine intervention.
That’s the thing. I don’t.
Two hard drives of the same size, one on site and one off site.
Where do you keep your off-site one? Like a friend or family member’s house?
I keep one in a bank deposit box. It costs like $10/year, fireproof, climate controlled, and exactly the right size for a 3.5" disk. Rotate every couple of months, because it is like 10-15 minute process to get into the vault.
So your backed up data can be as old as a couple of months and requires manual interaction? I guess that’s better than nothing, but I’m looking for something more automated. I’m not sure what my options are for cloud storage or if they are safe from deletion. Or if having it in a closet in a friends house is really the best option.
I have a live local backup to guard against hardware/system failure. I figure the only reason I’d have to go to the off-site backup is destruction of my home, and if that ever happens then recreating a couple of months worth of critical data will not be an undue burden.
If I had work or consulting product on my home systems, I’d probably keep a cloud backup by daily rsync, but I’m not going to spend the bandwidth to remote backup the whole system off site. It’s bad enough bringing down a few tens of gigabytes - sending up several terabytes, even in the background, just isn’t practical for me.
At home and at the shop where I work. At work the drives are actually stored in a Faraday cage.
Either works, if you dont trust them encryption is always an option
Raid is backup right?
of course /s
It protects against drive failure. That is the threat I am most worried about, so it’s fine for me.
Backblaze. Automated with Velero in kubernetes.
Tape is the best medium for archiving data.
I really want to use tape for backups, but holy expensive. Those tape drives are thousands of dollars.
So tape doesn’t make sense for the typical person, unless you don’t have to buy the equipment and store i.
But, if you’re even a small company it becomes cheaper to use tape.
Companies don’t like deleting data. Ever. In fact some industries have laws that say they can’t delete data.
For example, the company I work in is small, but old. Our accounting department alone requires complex automated processes to do things each day that require data to be backed up.
From the beginning of time. I shit you not. There is no compression even.
And at the drop of a hat, the IT dept needs to be able to implement a backup from any time in the past. Although this almost never happens outside of the current pay cycle, they need to have the option available.
The best way they have to facilitate this (I hate it - like I said they’re old) is to simply write everything multiple times a night. And it’s everything since we started using digital storage. Yes, it’s overkill and makes no sense, but that’s the way it is for us. And that’s the way it is for a lot of companies.
So, when we’re talking about that amount of data, and tape having a storage cost advantage of 4:1 over disk, it more than pays for all the overhead for enterprise level backups.
I bought an incredibly overkill tape system a few years ago and then the power supply exploded in it and I never bothered to replace it. Still, definitely worth it
Yes, tape has very steep entry costs and requires maintenance and storage.
Most of the time it doesn’t make sense for a person to use it, but rather a corporate entity that needs to backup petabytes of data multiple times a day.
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To a PI4 running Proxmox Backup Server, which is then mirrored to Backblaze R2 via rclone
what’s the pricing like? looking at my own use case a full backup to b2 would cost me almost 100 bucks a month if I understand the pricing correctly. Given the tendency of my data storage it seems cheaper to me to just buy more hdds and store them in a safe at my bank
100 bucks? That’s what, 18 TB of data? I don’t even have a TB total, so my bill is so low they only charge me once every few months ;)
Device sync to nextcloud -> rsync data & db onto NAS -> nightly backup to rsync.net and quarterly offsite/offline HDD swaps.
I also copy Zoneminder recordings, configs, some server logs, and my main machine’s ~/ onto the NAS.
The offsite HDD is just a bog standard USB 4TB drive with one big LUKS2 volume on it.
It’s all relatively simple. It’s easy to complicate your backups to the point where you rely on Veeam checkpointing your ESXI disks and replicating incrementals to another device that puts them all back together… but it’s much better to have a system that’s simple and just works.
Synology NAS where all computers get backed up to locally. Restic for Linux, Time Machine for Mac, active backup for Windows.
NAS backs most of its data (that I trust enough to put on the cloud) encrypted to Google drive every night, occasionally I back the NAS up to an external 8tb hard-drive.
The only type of data I care about is photos and video I’ve taken. Everything else is replaceable.
My phone —> immich —> backblaze b2, and some Google drive.
Linux isos I can always redownload.
I have two machines that back up to a local server using Borg. That whole server in turn backs up to Jottacloud using restic with encryption enabled.
By the way, I wouldn’t use rclone for backups. Use restic or something similar that does incremental backups. Because if you do rclone and then later discover that some files were corrupted locally, then your files are gone. With incremental backups you would still be able to retrieve them.
Oh, or do you mean backing up the stuff that is on the cloud?
I backup my ESXi VMs and NAS file shares to local server storage using an encrypted Veeam job and have a copy job to a local NAS with iSCSI storage presented.
From there I have another host VM accessing that same iSCSI share uploading the encrypted backup to Backblaze. Unlimited “local” storage for $70\y? Yes please! (iSCSI appears local to Backblaze. They know and have already started they don’t care.)
I’m backing up about 4TB to them currently using this method.
Mine is kind of similar. Hyper-V backed up with Veeam to a separate logical disk (same RAID array, different HDD’s). Veeam backups are replicated to iDrive with rsync.
I need to readjust my replication schedule to prioritize the critical backups because my upload speed isn’t fast enough to do a full replication that often.
I have a Synology NAS that holds all my important data. Then it does nightly backups to Synology C2.
Proxmox backs up to pbs and pbs is synced to B2 with rclone.
Other stuff is restic to b2.
restic to Wasabi.
