it can be absolute pain for those expecting things to just work without any interest on why they experiencing issues.
I think that describes computers.
Windows does the same thing, only worse because it is harder to trouble shoot, and harder to fix if you find yourself at the point where a reinstall is the only way out.
I am dealing with a laptop like that now for someone else, and it would be simple if it was linux, but of course its a pain in the ass because its windows.
For me, I’ve been using Windows for so long that when I want to change something, there’ll be a UI for it somewhere. In Linux, you have to learn a bunch of text commands and modifiers. And if you don’t already know what they are, you don’t know what to search for to find them.
One of these days I’ll learn out of necessity. Until then, Windows it just too convenient
This is not true. People repeat it all the time but it not true at all.
(EDIT: I think the reason why people think this is because it is FAR easier to support someone by simply telling them a command. They can copy paste. Describing a GUI sucks horribly, and is very inefficient. Windows is like this too. Any support will tell you get out powershell.)
Windows is far more difficutlt even in this regard because now you have essentially two control panels.
Also discovery of what you want to do is harder in windows.
And the kicker is if your windows is broken and you need to fix it, guess what, it’s command line for you.
Not to mention the fact that windows is basically unchangeable now.
You want a menu at the top? Get out regedit or download a patch or use powershell.
While I have a GUI to simple click and edit my desktop, choose from several launchers and I can put them where ever I want. Even choose to have none at all.
So can you name one thing I would need a command line for instead of a GUI in Linux?
Maybe I’ve just had bad luck. I had an issue where my second monitor wasn’t being detected at all in Linux, but was fine in Windows. There was a fix, fortunately someone in a forum had the same issue, but it was a command line fix. And IIRC it wasn’t permanent either - I think I had to retype it on reboot.
I also have a 3 button mouse with the middle button set to double click in Windows. There was no linux driver for it. I’m sure its possible to get it working, but quite how, I’ve no idea.
Basically I’ve installed various flavours of Linux maybe 5 times, and each time had to abort and go back to windows after a day or two because I couldn’t find how to fix a particular issue.
That distinction makes a difference. I was thinking you were saying once installed you had to do command line stuff. Like a person was here the other day that thought it passwords could not be changed without a command line.
But since you did clarify, hardware is indeed a pain if it isn’t supported. I put a lot of that on the vendors. Why would a mouse need its own drivers and software? That seems crazy.
And to put it into perspective: I have 3 monitors, different resolutions and refresh rates. I did nothing to make it work, it just did. My desktop and laptop have been pretty much zero effort on my part to make them work.
On the other hand I have 3 windows machines that I am dealing with for others and the audio driver is clearly the issue with one, nvidias driver with the other, and a failed MS update with the third.
Guess what? Every fix requires the command line. In Windows. Computers can suck. And after hours of working with the broken install (DISM, Scannow, ISO downoader extraction, and on and on, it looks like the only fix is a reinstall. It bluescreens and will not update. Yet the hardware is fine, its all drivers.
I think that describes computers.
Windows does the same thing, only worse because it is harder to trouble shoot, and harder to fix if you find yourself at the point where a reinstall is the only way out.
I am dealing with a laptop like that now for someone else, and it would be simple if it was linux, but of course its a pain in the ass because its windows.
For me, I’ve been using Windows for so long that when I want to change something, there’ll be a UI for it somewhere. In Linux, you have to learn a bunch of text commands and modifiers. And if you don’t already know what they are, you don’t know what to search for to find them.
One of these days I’ll learn out of necessity. Until then, Windows it just too convenient
This is not true. People repeat it all the time but it not true at all.
(EDIT: I think the reason why people think this is because it is FAR easier to support someone by simply telling them a command. They can copy paste. Describing a GUI sucks horribly, and is very inefficient. Windows is like this too. Any support will tell you get out powershell.)
Windows is far more difficutlt even in this regard because now you have essentially two control panels.
Also discovery of what you want to do is harder in windows.
And the kicker is if your windows is broken and you need to fix it, guess what, it’s command line for you.
Not to mention the fact that windows is basically unchangeable now.
You want a menu at the top? Get out regedit or download a patch or use powershell.
While I have a GUI to simple click and edit my desktop, choose from several launchers and I can put them where ever I want. Even choose to have none at all.
So can you name one thing I would need a command line for instead of a GUI in Linux?
Maybe I’ve just had bad luck. I had an issue where my second monitor wasn’t being detected at all in Linux, but was fine in Windows. There was a fix, fortunately someone in a forum had the same issue, but it was a command line fix. And IIRC it wasn’t permanent either - I think I had to retype it on reboot.
I also have a 3 button mouse with the middle button set to double click in Windows. There was no linux driver for it. I’m sure its possible to get it working, but quite how, I’ve no idea.
Basically I’ve installed various flavours of Linux maybe 5 times, and each time had to abort and go back to windows after a day or two because I couldn’t find how to fix a particular issue.
That distinction makes a difference. I was thinking you were saying once installed you had to do command line stuff. Like a person was here the other day that thought it passwords could not be changed without a command line.
But since you did clarify, hardware is indeed a pain if it isn’t supported. I put a lot of that on the vendors. Why would a mouse need its own drivers and software? That seems crazy.
And to put it into perspective: I have 3 monitors, different resolutions and refresh rates. I did nothing to make it work, it just did. My desktop and laptop have been pretty much zero effort on my part to make them work.
On the other hand I have 3 windows machines that I am dealing with for others and the audio driver is clearly the issue with one, nvidias driver with the other, and a failed MS update with the third.
Guess what? Every fix requires the command line. In Windows. Computers can suck. And after hours of working with the broken install (DISM, Scannow, ISO downoader extraction, and on and on, it looks like the only fix is a reinstall. It bluescreens and will not update. Yet the hardware is fine, its all drivers.