• JoeHill@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    …says someone probably too young to remember Hamas strapping bombs to human beings to blow up a Sbarro.

    Hamas are terrorists. Always have been. Always will be.

    I do not regret what happened. Absolutely not. This is the path. I dedicated myself to Jihad for the sake of Allah, and Allah granted me success. You know how many casualties there were [in the 2001 attack on the Sbarro pizzeria]. This was made possible by Allah. Do you want me to denounce what I did? That’s out of the question. I would do it again today, and in the same manner.

    …said a woman who killed eight children

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahlam_Tamimi?wprov=sfti1#Public_and_personal_reaction

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      7 months ago

      This might be hard for you to understand, but history also goes back before 2001. Yes Hamas are terrorists, but they only exist because of Israel’s even worse terrorism over the last 75 years.

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        7 months ago

        Fucking zionists were killing UN officials since before Israel was officially a thing.

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        7 months ago

        Oh… Really? You mean like back to 1980 when Palestinian terrorists took newborns and toddlers hostage at Kibbutz Misgav Am? Or in 1929 when Arab policemen murdered women and children of the “Old Yishuv” in Hebron because Jews (not the ones the Arabs were killing, mind you — but let’s ignore that inconvenient fact) were checks notes buying land from Arab sellers? Or what about in 1948 when the neighboring Arab countries sent their troops to war in violation of UN resolutions — bearing symbols showing a knife through a Star of David? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kaukji-armored-car-1948.jpg

        Also, from your comment I realize you must be new to this conflict. On “your side” it’s passé to refer to “75 years of Israeli terrorism”. The pro move is to refer to “141 years of Zionist terrorism”.

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          7 months ago

          I see you’re just a run of the mill bigot who thinks all Arabs are the same and are violent savages so they deserve to be ethnically cleansed. A small amount of violently displaced people turning to terrorism doesn’t retroactively justify the displacement.

          The Hebron massacre was terrible, and it doesn’t make it okay, but saying it happened out of nowhere because Jews were buying land from Arabs is a wildly disingenuous misrepresentation of events. It was the culmination of a week of riots kicked off by Zionist demonstrations declaring intentions to take over the Al-aqsa mosque and the event itself was kicked off by misinformation that Arabs in Jerusalem were being massacred. Most of the Jews that survived the massacre were saved from the mob by other Arabs.

          Kicking hundreds of thousands of people out of their homeland doesn’t magically become okay because the UN approved it. The Zionist military was literally executing a mass forced migration and leveling entire towns while flying the star of David as their battle flag. The star of David with a knife through it insignia was only used by an army that at it’s strongest was 6000 people and were directly fighting the Zionist forces.

          And no, the problem is 75 years of Israeli terrorism, not a longer term of Zionist terrorism. Who is in control matters. The problem is the settler colonial project of Israel, not the existence of Jews in Palestine. If Israel never existed and a Palestinian state was oppressing their Jewish population in the same way, that would be equally bad.

          You’re doing the exact same logic every single genocide in history has been justified with. Wildly misrepresenting events and picking out isolated events from a vanishingly small fraction of a population and using them to demonized a population of millions of people. If it was 1850, you’d be spewing the same genocidal nonsense about the Native Americans citing attacks on settlers.