So your belief is that jesus teaches christians to rape children and murder people. Weird take, but it does sound christian.
If you pretend jesus preaches pedophilia, violence and greed – I guess he does promote incest when lot fucks his daughters - then he is a pretty bad master, since some christians have sex with their own children and murder people but some don’t.
jesus has no control over Christians.
On hoarding wealth:
Many self-professed Christians hoard wealth, defying their book rule that "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
Jesus, terrible teacher since all his greedy disciples are hoarding wealth in direct defiance of him. He has no control over his disciples.
“the bible doesn’t teach these things”
Quotes provided above praise the selfishness of men, misogyny and dominion over women, and the christian righteousness of slavery.
When you worship that book or its writers, you are worshiping incest, selfishness, misogyny and slavery, among other “sins”.
“we sing amazing grace”
does not help all the kids christians raped, hospitals bombed or the people dying every hour from hoarded christian wealth.
This is the difference between the real world, where christians regularly harm people, and a novel like the bible, which you are pretending does not include its own direct quotes about slavery. Which is crazy, because the bible praises and promotes slavery and slave owners a LOT.
“I doubt you’ve read the bible.”
doubt away thomas. you seem very unfamiliar with the christian bible.
or you’re pretending the christian bible doesn’t promote incest, slavery, misogyny and selfishness despite direct biblical quotes.
I’m quoting relevant, accurate passages and dealing with the text honestly, you either haven’t read the christian bible or are pretending you haven’t read it because you are aware how embarrassing and immoral it is to worship slavery and incest.
To be fair, It is very christian of you to hide from the reality and consequences of your professed faith and ignore the actual text.
If you pretend jesus preaches pedophilia, violence and greed – I guess he does promote incest when lot fucks his daughters - then he is a pretty bad master, since some christians have sex with their own children and murder people but some don’t.
Lot was raped by his daughters. Are we victim blaming now?
You kind of remind me when ‘the right’ undermines the trans rights movement because a handful of mass shooters or sex offenders were transgender people.
Jesus, terrible teacher since all his greedy disciples are hoarding wealth in direct defiance of him. He has no control over his disciples.
Ohhhh, ohhh, you think?
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Would be a bit of a shame if you thought you would be separated from them, just to be thrown in the same pit with them.
All the rest of that nonsense you are claiming about slavery have already debunked. You’re not rebutting my argument, just repeating the same claims I addressed mindlessly. If you really want me to demonstrate more that the Bible doesn’t promote these things, I will.
If you are, you should stop. Christians victim-blame too regularly.
good for you to acknowledge lot’s christian misogyny! Lot begs a mob to rape his daughters to save his guests. Very christian(misogynist) and disgusting.
Lot drank some wine. You believe he was so drunk he didn’t realize his own daughters were having sex with him to completion for 48 hours? Ludicrous.
“Ohhhh, ohhh, you think?..did we not prophesy…”
Fiction and speculation is useless here. You have the relevant christian biblical quotes above detailing christian slavery, christian misogyny, and christian greed, and we know that in real life christians are pedophiles, rapists and murderers.
Either jesus is teaching pedophilia and murder to christians, or christians are raping chlidren and murdering people because jesus cannot control his flock.
either way, jesus is a terrible “master”.
“…I addressed mindlessly”
try addressing the quotes mindfully.
Jesus endorses misogyny, slavery and incest in “his” book, and so does anyone who worships his words.
“If you really want me to demonstrate more that the bible doesn’t promote these things…”
This thread is simply a guide on how to debunk christian self-delusions.
good for you to acknowledge lot’s christian misogyny! Lot begs a mob to rape his daughters to save his guests. Very christian(misogynist) and disgusting.
Easy for you to say, since you’re not in Lot’s position. So what, he should have been misandrist instead and let them rape the men? They didn’t even rape the daughters anyway, they were sodomites.
Lot drank some wine. You believe he was so drunk he didn’t realize his own daughters were having sex with him to completion for 48 hours? Ludicrous.
Having sex with a drunk person is rape.
and we know that in real life christians are pedophiles, rapists and murderers.
You have been proven ignorant about your bible and incorrect about your god. This does not mean you have “debunked” anything,
It is not misandry because those men were not being attacked specifically because they were men; it is misogyny for Lot to claim ownership over his daughters and offer them to be raped specifically because he values them less as women.
jesus endorses slavery in his own words in multiple passages.
jesus endorses incest in his own words in multiple passages.
jesus endorses misogyny in his own words in multiple passages.
Those are written, verifiable passages supplied above for your reference. You are ignorant of you own book, but those passages exist.
jesus endorses misogyny, incest and slavery in the christian bible and so does anyone who endorses that novel.
“supplied above” when you haven’t even supplied them
specifically because he values them less
I think that’s because they weren’t angels literally sent from God, not because they were women 🙄 either that or he was exposing the sodomites for not being interested in women, but instead being interested in men
You can play pretend, but you’ve directly responded to the biblical passages I’ve supplied in previous comments, so it’s foolish of you to make believe.
lot valued women so low as to offer for his own daughters to be raped. You empathize with this bigotry, but your empathy for bigotry doesn’t make christian misogyny, slavery, incest, hoarding wealth or pedophilia okay.
“he does exactly that- teach and control them.”
So your belief is that jesus teaches christians to rape children and murder people. Weird take, but it does sound christian.
If you pretend jesus preaches pedophilia, violence and greed – I guess he does promote incest when lot fucks his daughters - then he is a pretty bad master, since some christians have sex with their own children and murder people but some don’t.
jesus has no control over Christians.
On hoarding wealth:
Many self-professed Christians hoard wealth, defying their book rule that "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
Jesus, terrible teacher since all his greedy disciples are hoarding wealth in direct defiance of him. He has no control over his disciples.
“the bible doesn’t teach these things”
Quotes provided above praise the selfishness of men, misogyny and dominion over women, and the christian righteousness of slavery.
When you worship that book or its writers, you are worshiping incest, selfishness, misogyny and slavery, among other “sins”.
“we sing amazing grace”
does not help all the kids christians raped, hospitals bombed or the people dying every hour from hoarded christian wealth.
This is the difference between the real world, where christians regularly harm people, and a novel like the bible, which you are pretending does not include its own direct quotes about slavery. Which is crazy, because the bible praises and promotes slavery and slave owners a LOT.
“I doubt you’ve read the bible.”
doubt away thomas. you seem very unfamiliar with the christian bible.
or you’re pretending the christian bible doesn’t promote incest, slavery, misogyny and selfishness despite direct biblical quotes.
I’m quoting relevant, accurate passages and dealing with the text honestly, you either haven’t read the christian bible or are pretending you haven’t read it because you are aware how embarrassing and immoral it is to worship slavery and incest.
To be fair, It is very christian of you to hide from the reality and consequences of your professed faith and ignore the actual text.
Lot was raped by his daughters. Are we victim blaming now?
You kind of remind me when ‘the right’ undermines the trans rights movement because a handful of mass shooters or sex offenders were transgender people.
Ohhhh, ohhh, you think?
Matthew 7:21-23
Would be a bit of a shame if you thought you would be separated from them, just to be thrown in the same pit with them.
All the rest of that nonsense you are claiming about slavery have already debunked. You’re not rebutting my argument, just repeating the same claims I addressed mindlessly. If you really want me to demonstrate more that the Bible doesn’t promote these things, I will.
“Are we victim blaming now?”
If you are, you should stop. Christians victim-blame too regularly.
good for you to acknowledge lot’s christian misogyny! Lot begs a mob to rape his daughters to save his guests. Very christian(misogynist) and disgusting.
Lot drank some wine. You believe he was so drunk he didn’t realize his own daughters were having sex with him to completion for 48 hours? Ludicrous.
“Ohhhh, ohhh, you think?..did we not prophesy…”
Fiction and speculation is useless here. You have the relevant christian biblical quotes above detailing christian slavery, christian misogyny, and christian greed, and we know that in real life christians are pedophiles, rapists and murderers.
Either jesus is teaching pedophilia and murder to christians, or christians are raping chlidren and murdering people because jesus cannot control his flock.
either way, jesus is a terrible “master”.
“…I addressed mindlessly”
try addressing the quotes mindfully.
Jesus endorses misogyny, slavery and incest in “his” book, and so does anyone who worships his words.
“If you really want me to demonstrate more that the bible doesn’t promote these things…”
This thread is simply a guide on how to debunk christian self-delusions.
I heartily encourage you to try again.
Easy for you to say, since you’re not in Lot’s position. So what, he should have been misandrist instead and let them rape the men? They didn’t even rape the daughters anyway, they were sodomites.
Having sex with a drunk person is rape.
And we know that in real life atheists are paedophiles, rapists and murderers.
and we know that in real life muslims are paedophiles, rapists and murderers.
and we know that in real life satanists are paedophiles, rapists and murderers.
See? It’s almost as if such people exist in literally every group of humans that exist.
Convenient not to give any more examples apart from what I’ve already debunked. Define “misogyny” while you’re at it.
You keep using “debunk” incorrectly.
You have been proven ignorant about your bible and incorrect about your god. This does not mean you have “debunked” anything,
It is not misandry because those men were not being attacked specifically because they were men; it is misogyny for Lot to claim ownership over his daughters and offer them to be raped specifically because he values them less as women.
jesus endorses slavery in his own words in multiple passages.
jesus endorses incest in his own words in multiple passages.
jesus endorses misogyny in his own words in multiple passages.
Those are written, verifiable passages supplied above for your reference. You are ignorant of you own book, but those passages exist.
jesus endorses misogyny, incest and slavery in the christian bible and so does anyone who endorses that novel.
“supplied above” when you haven’t even supplied them
I think that’s because they weren’t angels literally sent from God, not because they were women 🙄 either that or he was exposing the sodomites for not being interested in women, but instead being interested in men
You can play pretend, but you’ve directly responded to the biblical passages I’ve supplied in previous comments, so it’s foolish of you to make believe.
lot valued women so low as to offer for his own daughters to be raped. You empathize with this bigotry, but your empathy for bigotry doesn’t make christian misogyny, slavery, incest, hoarding wealth or pedophilia okay.