As an exmuslim i just want to say thank you. i am glad that people are starting to wake up and understand that islam is more of a political ideology than a religion.
I get the sentiment, but don’t thank far-right groups for anything. They’re not doing it to “free the people of the dangers of religion” they’re doing it out of pure hatred towards other people (specially since most far-right groups are religious themselves). Even if you’re not a muslim anymore, they’ll probably find something else to hate you (and me, and most people in the world, actually).
Political ideologies have goals. For instance to improve living conditions for the working class, or maximizing economic efficiency. The policies are then formed around achieving those goals. A political ideology is also Democracy, which guarantees everybody a right to express their opinion without fear of the current government.
Religion is dogmatic wishful thinking without evidence, and generally 100% authoritarian, and opposite to democracy and suppress free expression.
I beg to differ. Religions have goals too, they’re just focused on the inner aspect of mankind, more so than material conditions like Capitalism and Communism.
And I don’t see why you brought up evidence. What evidence are you talking about? Neither conventional religions (like Christianity and Islam), nor conventional political ideologies like Capitalism, Communism, and as you said Democracy (among other things, like different organization types like LLCs, the advent of Nationalism, the Founding Myth of The Nation, or even the Nation-State), don’t exist in the natural world. They’re false realities, imagined realities in the minds of billions of people. People believe in them because other people believe in them.
Belief, and, yes I used that word correctly, in the principle of say, “the invisible hand of the market”, or “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” or that “all people deserve equal treatment”, or that “free speech is a human right”, or “human rights” in general, or, the most famous example - “money”, aren’t things that exist in the natural world. People have created these things in their minds as much as they have created the image of an all-powerful (or not), benevolent (or not) Abrahamic, Hindu, or whatever God and/or Gods. There is no evidence of either in the natural world.
Religion is dogmatic wishful thinking without evidence in the natural world, as much as any political ideology is dogmatic wishful thinking without evidence in the natural world
Humans are very little more than upright animals (if that) with just extremely creative imaginations and very complex social patterns
Sorry for being rather nihilistic about this, but if you (not talking specifically about you, but people in general) haven’t connected any of these imagined realities (i.e what we conventionally refer to as political ideologies or religions) to your personality or have a vested interest in them, you would see that they aren’t dissimilar to each other in any real meaningful way
That is quite wrong, tbh. Unless you assume that market agendas are based on belief in a higher authority. And while you can say “the prophey of capitalism is adam smith”, they’re not prayed on. Importantly this robs capitalism on the higher authority angle that religious fanatics of all religions use to justify heinous acts.
Of course, such acts still happen without any religion in the picture. As always, the grass can be wet without it having rained, it’s just that most of the time it happens due to rain.
As an exmuslim i just want to say thank you. i am glad that people are starting to wake up and understand that islam is more of a political ideology than a religion.
I get the sentiment, but don’t thank far-right groups for anything. They’re not doing it to “free the people of the dangers of religion” they’re doing it out of pure hatred towards other people (specially since most far-right groups are religious themselves). Even if you’re not a muslim anymore, they’ll probably find something else to hate you (and me, and most people in the world, actually).
There aren’t any differences between political ideologies and religions
Capitalism and Communism can be classified as religions, as much as Christianity and Islam can be classified as political ideologies
The prophet of Capitalism is Adam Smith, of Communism - Karl Marx
The ideological leader of Christianity - Jesus, of Islam - Muhammad
That is incorrect.
Political ideologies have goals. For instance to improve living conditions for the working class, or maximizing economic efficiency. The policies are then formed around achieving those goals. A political ideology is also Democracy, which guarantees everybody a right to express their opinion without fear of the current government.
Religion is dogmatic wishful thinking without evidence, and generally 100% authoritarian, and opposite to democracy and suppress free expression.
I beg to differ. Religions have goals too, they’re just focused on the inner aspect of mankind, more so than material conditions like Capitalism and Communism.
And I don’t see why you brought up evidence. What evidence are you talking about? Neither conventional religions (like Christianity and Islam), nor conventional political ideologies like Capitalism, Communism, and as you said Democracy (among other things, like different organization types like LLCs, the advent of Nationalism, the Founding Myth of The Nation, or even the Nation-State), don’t exist in the natural world. They’re false realities, imagined realities in the minds of billions of people. People believe in them because other people believe in them.
Belief, and, yes I used that word correctly, in the principle of say, “the invisible hand of the market”, or “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” or that “all people deserve equal treatment”, or that “free speech is a human right”, or “human rights” in general, or, the most famous example - “money”, aren’t things that exist in the natural world. People have created these things in their minds as much as they have created the image of an all-powerful (or not), benevolent (or not) Abrahamic, Hindu, or whatever God and/or Gods. There is no evidence of either in the natural world.
Religion is dogmatic wishful thinking without evidence in the natural world, as much as any political ideology is dogmatic wishful thinking without evidence in the natural world
Humans are very little more than upright animals (if that) with just extremely creative imaginations and very complex social patterns
Sorry for being rather nihilistic about this, but if you (not talking specifically about you, but people in general) haven’t connected any of these imagined realities (i.e what we conventionally refer to as political ideologies or religions) to your personality or have a vested interest in them, you would see that they aren’t dissimilar to each other in any real meaningful way
That is quite wrong, tbh. Unless you assume that market agendas are based on belief in a higher authority. And while you can say “the prophey of capitalism is adam smith”, they’re not prayed on. Importantly this robs capitalism on the higher authority angle that religious fanatics of all religions use to justify heinous acts.
Of course, such acts still happen without any religion in the picture. As always, the grass can be wet without it having rained, it’s just that most of the time it happens due to rain.
Please check out my reply to the other person above