I’ve seen a lot of recommends for Immich on here, so I have an idea what the answer here is going to be, but I’m looking for some comparisons between it and Photoprism I’m currently using Synology Photos, and I think my biggest issue is it’s lack of metadata management. I’ve gotten around that with MetaImage and NeoFinder. I’m considering moving to something not tied to the Synology environment.
Immich vs Photoprism.
Winner = Immich
Best comparison ever
It’s succinct. I’ll give you that!
Correct, too.
Isn’t Photoprism more stable?
In what sense? Never had problems with Immich.
In the sense that immich warns not be the only way to store your pictures, while Photoprism advertises as a bug-free program, that adds new features very slowly in order to be bug free.
Maybe, but why would you store your images in only one place to begin with?
I like to have 1 folder with all my pictures that is syncthing’d to another computer and a cloud provider
Seems like a decent strategy, I use syncthing for a long time with no problems! Maybe a spare hard drive too? Can never be too sure…
Can’t you just mount a RO volume to an Immich container?
Not for the pictures uploaded through the app.
Makes sense. Though if one wants security maybe it’s better to use something like PhotoSync to copy the photos through FTP/anything and mount the volume RO.
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Throwing another possible contender out there: Nextcloud Memories. Seems like an interesting solution if you’re already running Nextcloud.
I’ve been using PhotoPrism for the past couple of days and have really liked it.
I was considering Immich, but the rapid development cycle turned me off of it for now. I don’t want to have to deal with keeping up with patch notes and potential breaking changes. Immich also seems more focused on photo backups from your phone, which isn’t quite what I wanted. PhotoPrism just let me upload all my existing photos on the web ui.
I’d say give both a try. Both provide a docker-compose file, so you should be able to bring them up fairly quick.
Both great projects I would also put librephotos to the equation with its feature rich unofficial android client Uhuru photos
All have great android apps and great Dev base
Have tried all three and also tried every other selfhosted image gallery
Photoprim is overall the most mature and complete in features
Yes it requires a third party app to sync your assets but the auto index feature if you sync to their webdav endpoint is killer. This means the proccess from the moment of taking a picture till it shows up in your photoprism gallery is “instant”
Also the unofficial android client is super great and almost android TV compatible
So
To be honest there is not a fair answer You really have to hey them all
:-)
What are the great android apps for photoprism? Last time I looked there were two unofficial ones which were both not great and neither allowed you to upload from.
https://github.com/Radiokot/photoprism-android-client
Is under partner apps
https://www.photoprism.app/partners
You can only upload from the pwa
Partner app photosync syncs with “import” folder which is a webdav endpoint photoprism exposes
I use foldersync for sync
Photoprism better for single user. More stable, prettier, more free license.
Immich has support for multiple libraries, and sharing with your other users. Immich has better ai tools. I’m using immich because I just had a baby and want to see the pictures my wife takes of her.
I also vastly prefer having a single, canon source of photos. I syncthing my library to my laptop for full control (and backup). It’s happened before when migrating my server app that I need to reimport all my pictures into a new database. It’s super easy if they’re all in one spot.
When Photoprism adds multi library, I’ll probably switch back. With the main reason being license.
I want to use Immich because it works and looks great, but the lack of even basic editing features (like image rotation or EXIF editor) is deal breaker for me.
I’m sorta in the same boat as you. I run Synology all my photos and manage 5 different family members photos.
So I have different use cases for them and myself.
**For them: **They only care about the ability to see where they took their photos and its uploading correctly. The built in face detection is average at best but its enough for them to find the photo they are looking for.
They will never use the full extent of all the metadata that is available to them if I had it.
The tradeoffs are the ease of deployment and account management. I only have 5 members and if I had to teach each one which website or page to go to so they can view their images, it would drive me nuts. I simply give them credentials and a link to download from Apple Store and Playstore and off they go. New phones? No problem. Add it to their AppleTV? Don’t need to bother me.
** For Me: ** I use Excire Foto and it scans each photo and helps me manage everything with a very powerful AI tool for tagging. I use it for the majority of my photo management. The downside, its not very remote friendly. So if you’re working remote, you will not be able to manage your NAS photos from afar.This way I keep both Synology Photos and use Excire when I’m needing to do some real work.
I think I have a very comparable workflow to yours, I have a master repository of RAW+JPEG on a NAS which I index and curate from Digikam, and I export smaller/de-exified photos into topical folders for sharing with members (generally over nextcloud).
I would vote for Immich. It has more features (mobile app with automatic backup), and seems to use less resources on the server side.
Honestly im all about nextcloud photos.
How many photos do you store there that you recommend it? Like 500? With any serious number of photos Nextcloud starts loading for minutes and the android app autoupload goes tits up.
That bug is open for years and if with so many users affected and a commercial entity behind this project nobody has fixed it yet, I doubt it’s fixable without a very major rewrite.
Such a good point. I’m honestly surprised people recommend Nextcloud so frequently. I’ve used it in a commercial environment and it sucks ass. It broke numerous times when upgrading, it was buggy and slow. At the time their GitHub page had like 4k open issues and another 8k closed. Looks like it’s somewhat better now. Many of issues we’ve experienced were reported but no movement for years. It’s like least stable OSS I had dealt with.
Exactly, same here. Nextcloud is the only container for which I disabled auto upgrades, because I don’t always have 8 hours to deal with the aftermath.
I’ve got something in the region of 80gb of jpeg and raw files.
Probably 8000-9000 photos.
Yeah syncing from my phone was a bear, but I just let it run overnight.
Also not using iOS for what it’s worth. iOS is a shithole when it comes to overaggressive battery optimisation.
I asked someone about this a few days ago, and they claimed to have over 30000 photos in Nextcloud without issues
With any serious number of photos Nextcloud starts loading for minutes
What is this serious number you have in mind? I’m the first one thinking that some of the design choices behind nextcloud are laughable, and that their attitude towards code quality and best practices is inadequate, but even then I don’t think this threshold is easily reached.
Well. It just stopped working after the 2k items mark for me. Had to increase php memory and all for almost 6GB to make it work. Still sluggish AF. It’ll be just my file bucket for now on. EDIT: I will like to add, Immich is now with 32k assets for me, working flawlessly and only using 300MB when active of memory.
I am about 3 orders of magnitude beyond you in terms of content, and I host that on 2GB RAM and a CPU that scores 440 on CPU benchmark.net . You might want to check your configuration, perhaps starting from the database (I use PG), then server (php-fpm). I don’t even use redis for caching, just the basic APC.
Great to know! Something is really odd on my instance. The DB is definitely working well on its own, all the queries are returned quite fast from what I gather on the monitoring side. Probably something odd on the server side. I’m using redis for caching, it helps a bit as it comes down to a halt without redis.
Nothing reported in the admin screen listing out config tips and missing indexes?
Nope, all I have is the default phone region not set.
I’m happy with photoprism for a single user. I don’t like their subscription model, and will never pay an on-going fee. There’s a chance they will move more features behind that paywall. I did pay the one-time unlock for the automatic upload companion app, but that seems like a core feature they should implement.
I’ve been using Photoprism for a while, but found it very resource-heavy for my poor little NAS. Even after finishing ingesting my photo library, and finished tagging all the faces, it still occupies about 50% CPU routinely. However, I can’t install Immich because apparently the CPU on my NAS doesn’t support AVX required by
typesense… Anyone know of some work-around?For now you could remove Typesense from the Docker image. Just edit the .env and remove the # in
TYPESENSE_ENABLED=falseThen go to the Dockerfile and comment out the Typesense service.
Immich without a doubt
immich, is on active development and new features are being added continuously.
What about syncthing + pigallery2?
It uses 10x less RAM
