1. It’s not a “solution” if it doesn’t solve for most of us. Likely you and I both need to federate with others for results because I’m honestly not a qualified software developer but …

2. Modern flagship phones have more than enough resources to run non-gaming app’s within some other container or even with full virtualization or, worst case scenario, emulation. We desperately need folks to figure out porting Dockerlike platform tools and making them accessible for normies like me.

If we can run an entire Windows environment and, separately, if we can run Hades II on a yesteryear Samsung, we should be able to get a sufficiently sandboxed environment together that’s qualified to run the weather apps and calculator apps I run on FDroid.

Because I’ll be god-damned if I’m going to entrust Google’s calculator app with my contacts and phone status permissions.

Not to say I’m entitled to any of their labor but I would join a crowdfunding program in a heartbeat.

I’m even willing to use the web apps or webpages for banking, if the browsers can make the handshakes. I’ll forfeit using the bank first party apps, if their websites are full featured.

And the bootloader is now locked down across Samsung’s ecosystem, as of this year. Sucks.

If you move to using an unsecured “chinaphone” as an alternative to the big three handset vendors, then it’s unlikely they are target devices for the myriad of uncertified ROM’s.

I think we are going to need software solutions that can run on major Androdis distributions across the variety of hardware.

I think we’re going to need something like UTM or Docker (virtualization or containerization) for running our unsigned Android apps and services, and I don’t know how feasible it will be.

I literally named two different phone models, and I think dismissing that people are often bound to what handsets are available to them is … Well, honestly just cruel.

Most of us don’t have the cash to throw down for phones all the time and we need scalability to protect ALL of us, not just those of us cash flush.

My fingers are still crossed folks figure out some containerization or virtualization solution between now and the Goo-lag.

This isn’t a scalable solution. There aren’t enough affordable, used Pixels for everyone in the ecosystem to adopt between now and the Goo-lag.

Samsung s22 and s25, checking in. Graphene won’t be viable for the vast, overwhelming majority of Android users today or in the coming seasons.

I hope people figure out some kind of virtualization/docker-containerization solution to the coming Goo-lag.

Cooool. Anyone know how to deaden this behavior?

That’s going to be $0.80 for each of us

Man, this is exhausting. Thanks for trying to carry as far as you did. Some folks just really need LTT to be a bunch of villains, and will move the goal posts to get there.

Part of why I still have LTT shit a listen was because of how I’ve seen him conduct his company’s focus, and course corrections, and how they HAVEN’T sued people trying to attack them.

I think his org has consistently done its best and I still tune in across the channels. I know that I couldn’t do better with matched resources, without experience and a lot more considerations.

Listening to everyone hate on a whole media group puzzles me a bit.

Thanks for the analysis. I’ve got to say. We on Lemmy can be vicious.

🙄 first of all, I carry a very limited wallet with me most of the time, and I only have to carry a keychain when I’m in the US.

I was replying to the dismissive person above asking what to do when he loses his phone. Which is absurd in itself.

I will say that it is incredibly liberating to have my one device do almost everything else I care about, mapping, calendaring, communicating with people in meeting with, conducting my purchases, and providing podcasts or tunes all at the same time. I love that I have open source software for almost all of the functions, and well essentially all conglomerated businesses are evil, I trust Visa way more than I trust, say, Bitcoin, or BNPL vendors like Affirm, or Klarna.

I’m not going to handle cash money if I don’t have to because exchange rates are terrible and take margins at EACH transaction, are bulky, are prone to loss and are dirty, while my CC/Debit cards offer zero forex fees.

I value my privacy, and I make reasonable efforts to frustrate the algorithms’ models of me, but quit pretending we all have to be Mennonites, and purity testing your community …

Poe’s Law is alive and well.

Dude. On what hardware? My 1 years old AND 4 years old Samsung phones now lock their bootloader.

Random, fly by night China phones won’t have enough documentation or enough consistency in hardware to be a viable rally point for firmware devs, will they?

Don’t get me wrong. I will buy exactly that Linux Phone for my next device if it gives me three browsers and enough untracked fundamental functionality like calculators and contact lists.

But I’m genuinely worried there won’t be a hardware vendor in the game in my market (the land of Y’allQaeda) to sell me a compatible device that plays nice with the three mobile providers that still exist here.

Control. Where else are we going to go?

Thanks for sharing all of that. I got to think a little bit about stuff that normally I would take for granted.

Meanwhile…

Taking the CC out of the sock drawer, at home. That’s an edge case though. That’s not what we are solving for the other 99.99% of the time …

If Reddit Old would play nice with said device, and doesn’t have a native app, I probably will settle on that when my ReVanced 3rd-party-Boost finally dies. (I also use the same developer’s Boost for Lemmy app).

I already use Amazon in one browser instead of its app, and Facebook in a whole separate browser on my device, even.

But there are apps on in daily, like my brokerage account and my budget/financial app (Monarch Money is worth the subscription, for me).

I would absolutely pay for access to

Honest question - why not fork android which already has all of the infrastructure needed for things like 5G handling, power management, and a widely supported ecosystem of components and vendors?

I would try a Linux phone, absolutely, but why not just Android instead?

The issue is current and future vendors for current and future Android phones are largely tainted and lockstep with Google.

But wouldn’t developing off yesteryear Android still be leap years ahead of just reinventing the wheel around Linux? I kinda thought Android was Linux for our devices.

I’m mostly saying this just because I’m jealous to bring all of my APK’s with me into that future.

I don’t want to give up my reddit app and my current trio of browsers.

I kind of feel like MS tried three distinct times, first with their WinMo products pre-Apple, then with their Nokia partnership, then finally with one last push through the mid-10’s before Intel finally made x86 on mobile an impossibility (nuking the Atom line, selling their 5G modem business to Apple, etc) and before there just weren’t any paths forward for MS.

Amazon and FB having their own phone product lines felt like the weirdest me-too-also-ran Android reskins to extend their own walled gardens, but also felt like both threw in the towel after like 18 months?!?

MS had to be a loser for more than a decade before they gave up. They were really great at being a big loser.

It’s just … apparent that nobody is going to do this for the love of the game, and that they can only get minimum market presence by financing their way to launching yet another walled garden ecosystem. Which is exactly what we all want to avoid in this group.