And Apple was in prism since at least 2013. And if PRISM is outdated that only means “better” ones are in use. You sound to defend apple a lot.

My point is US hardware and companies are just as bad as Chinese ones. If it’s officially mandated in China that show that China is just more transparent in surveliance than the US is.

I’d still use Xiaomi rather than Apple any day now if they are my only choices. I see Apple is shilled by lot’s of people in privacy circles. Find it a bit sad.

Well, snowden files showed that big tech corpos need to provide access to gvt for all data, there is a graph when each big tech company provided it. Looking at that I conclude simillar thing for hardware is happening, it’s not in law as in china, but it exists, we just need some new snowden type event to happen.

No one gets a prize from the FBI for doing that, and its costs money and time and there would be designers at every individual company who would be able to point directly to the back door.

Prize doesn’t matter, if the state wants something from a company they wiil get it. It’s just not made public.

No criminal case has ever shown someone using with Lineage or Graphine on an Adroid phone had their phone hacked by any government for the sole purpose of accessing data on an individual.

And if lineage is on xiaomi, or redmi then chinese state also has access or not ?

It’s kind of a moot point though - at this point commercially available spyware can get in at the software level.

I agree on that, imo threat modeling is most important and custom ROM have their own place and are not always needed. My point is that US either state or companies is not better than China ones, they just have better marketing in many ways and also there is lot’s of propaganda aginst China or anyone US considers threat in some way. Which creates illusion that US or EU or the west is better than China.

But I never seen any good tinfoil on the hardware level, wouldn’t it need physical acceess?

I guess it depends. Intel ME doesn’t need hardware access, it’s a backdoor in the open.

Yeah my understanding that the proprietary firmware blobs in SoCs like Qualcomm etc do have them.

I’m assuming hardware backdoor, or backdoor in general rabbit hole goes really deep, but I’m not tech literate enough to process it, so I just assume everything is backdoored in some way

China is understood to have hardware level access to devices, even if you installed Lineage OS, meaning a rootkit is an SMS away even if you’re just in it for the hardware.

you are saying this as US corpos don’t have access to devices

propo dabogda

the term is pointless

just make business accounts on mainstream social media. idk what your job is or if you can do it but in parallel you can also have business accounts on federated/private/ethical whatever you call it social media and with that you are also promoting other networks etc. if u have more people working with you use some federated chat xmpp for example instead of slack, stuff like that

it’s not your fault, there is no “ethical” production/consumption in capitalism

not that i know of

Archived backup here

From federated protocols yes! But I would like to see something really p2p to take over. So far no luck

and the entire protcol with it, they just have better marketing than xmpp, and from what i read are even worse protocol.

Hey good luck! Glad you are exploring this world and want to find better software to use.

P2P caught my interest because of the possibilities that opens up when you remove the middle-man/server (even better call quality, no file size limits). But it doesn’t have to be P2P - I’m just a fan of “local first”, decentralization and democratization of technology in general.

I agree, we share the same sentiment about it. Unfortunatley I didn’t find anything p2p near as either centralized or decentralized(federated) services are. I do have hope there will be good infrastructure and apps that are fully p2p with no blockchain scams around them in the near future around 5 years.

For now I think xmpp is the way to go. Here you have a list of servers, and there are plenty of clients avaiable. Clients: Web - inverse.chat, movim.eu (conversejs a framework to use xmpp on the web) Desktop - Gajim, Dino, Psi+ Android - Conversations (download from f-droid) <- this one is really good iOS - Monal

Here you have more info. XMPP also has it’s own issues, for example metadata, different servers supporting different stuff, different client supporting different stuff but overall it is in a really usable state and stable. Just pick some servers that are not connected to companies or states.

Also a thing about matrix which is, from what I see, more popular than xmpp, my guess is due to more marketing. In my opinion it shouldn’t be used nor should get any praise from privacy oriented people. Here is a good article going further.

I’d try Tox out also, seems good. And it’s good to use those apps to normalize and boost p2p, by using them we are helping them in the long run. Also Signal is kinda good option, but it is centralized which is it’s biggest flaw. I think Signal did most of the work by popularizing e2e protocol which now everyone use and that they will stagnate in a centralized stage, becoming nearly commercial product.

If you can name alternatives with similar functionality made by people who are not affiliated with crypto, I’m all ears

https://tox.chat/index.html maybe this, didn’t try it, but it says it has audio/video calls and file sharing.

How strict are you on going with full p2p, because xmpp is federated(not p2p) and it has nice network of servers working a long time and ok clients to use, Conversations being the best imo. Some of my friends switched their family and friends to xmpp and complaints at all

Why would you use it anyway ? If you want p2p chat there are options not connected to any blockchain, briar for example.

but if I don’t use it, where’s the harm?

The harm is already made by making this application. By using it you help spread idea that p2p=blockchain/crypto which is not the case. It’s just that cryptobros coopt word “p2p” into their language and supposedly they are p2p.

Same as you don’t have to use their micropayment, there is no reason to use this app also. There are real p2p options, as I said briar for example, or some other p2p chat app without cryptobros bullshit.

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No thank you

Just a clash of big powers. For me I don’t care if it meta or tiktok spying, nor if it’s censored by US or China.

How is it not? You can download and run model locally, it’s open source same way llama is. Or am I missing something ? Is it maybe just the term issue, since model is not code, but a file with weights or whatever ?

thanks, cool feature, didn’t know it exists, added to post