Once again, I’m still trying to figure out how apple users can defend this. Yes, Google maps had this feature, but everytime I talk to apple users I’m always told they got their phone because “it just works!”. But then I learn that features I consider basic at best are completely missing. If my iphone should “just work” I expect the features I want to exist without another app installation. Things on iphone only seem to work if you don’t know anything better.
The ability to put home screen icons where I want them.
A back gesture that works everywhere, and doesn’t require me to hunt and peck because the app developer has invented some random unique gesture ‘because’.
Stupid thing is both of these could be added in a minor software update, but I’ve been holding by breath for a decade now…
As I have to use both platforms for development those are the things that I notice most.
A back gesture that works everywhere, and doesn’t require me to hunt and peck because the app developer has invented some random unique gesture ‘because’.
People keep saying this and yet this has literally never happened to me in 5 years of using iOS. Maybe don’t use apps developed by people that don’t know what they’re doing? Developers can disable the back button on android too if they hate their users.
They can’t… in android the OS defines the navigation. Back works everywhere. You can do wierd stuff to make back do silly things and go to the wrong screen, but that takes a bit of effort.
In iOS, so far I’ve seen… swipe left, swipe right, swipe from the bottom, click ‘back on a button on the left’, tap on the screen to bring up a button then click that…
Some actions are impossible… you click on a link in mail to see for example a tracking number… for me a daily occurrence. There is no back gesture available, you have to go back to the home screen and restart the mail app, which is utterly stupid especially when you have to do it multiple times.
On android it’s simple. Want to go back? Wiggle your right thumb. Done.
I don’t know if I understand you correctly, but it’s actually very possible to go back to the previous app with just one swipe. No need to return to home screen. I have iPhone 11 Pro (should work the same for any newer models too) and you just swipe at the bottom from left to right and it will switch to the previous app you had open. You can do the same gesture from right to left to go forward to the next app. You can continue the same to shift through all your recently opened apps.
Also just pulling up on the bottom will bring up all your open apps in recent order. I omit that a single press button is quicker, however I prefer not to have any on screen buttons or off screen buttons so it’s fine for me
To be fair, unlike previous years iphone releases I’ve seen more skepticism than normal. I fully expected diehard apple users to be resenting the removal of the lightning connector due to excess charging cables. And while those comments exist, it is a very small minority of people. However with that said I don’t fully understand the mindset of buying a phone that has limited or obsolete hardware / software. (ergo headphone jack, ergo missing software feature, ergo USB 2.0 from 23 years ago)
Apple have really turned the “let’s screw over our customers” dial up to 11 this year.
The normal iPhone will be limited to 2.0 USB speeds whereas the Pro will have access to 3.0 USB speeds. There’s literally no reason to limit the normal iPhone to 2.0 speeds except to be dicks. I fully expect the likes of Lewis Rossman to announce that it’s just a software setting that can be changed if you jailbreak your iPhone
Idk, on the Pro they said the sun controller is built into the SoC. So they couldn’t just use last years soc and still give usb3 to the non-pro phones.
Or at least it would have cost more in components and design. But maybe they should have done it. Idk, I doubt the typical iPhone user cares.
Things on iphone only seem to work if you don’t know anything better.
Mystery resolved.
Basically iPhone users don’t know what they don’t have because they never bothered to look outside of their little walled garden. There are some good features of iPhones (like 3) but mostly they’re just been sold as a lifestyle product.
or… some people just prefer iPhone? Disliking android os doesn’t make me tech illiterate
e: for relevance, I don’t like google analytics and in its current state I consider apple a lesser of two evils (marked up hardware vs advertising company). I don’t want to spend time configuring an android phone to my tolerance levels when I can just use the same tech I’ve been using for years with hardly any issue.
Not the person you replied to; I found the UI to be terribly laid out. Text is too small, too much wasted blank space. This was on a Pixel 6 Pro. Not sure if I’ve tried it on the latest OS.
Out of curiosity, how often do you talk about smartphone choice? I’ve never once heard “it just works” in real life, nor have I really talked about what phone I use or why. It’s not a subject I’d purposefully avoid either.
Well it tends to come up for me because I’m the tech person around the house and at work, so phone and other device / software recommendations tend to come my way. I don’t really care what phone you use, I ain’t that much of a prick.
“It just works” is more or less accurate. Apples ecosystem is tightly integrated and we are only now starting to see these features come to Windows and ChroneOS, and they don’t work as well.
Most apple users never even wanted or used an Android phone, so our collection of basic features are different than theirs (ours is superior, of course)
That it just works does not mean I’m bound to Apple apps only. It just works includes having fantastic third party apps that do the job when Apples are lacking.
Calendar, mail, maps, music, password manager and the likes are such for me. But it still “just works”.
Missing features at OS level is one thing. But missing features in a goddamn app, when there are alternatives? Common…
I think part of the “it just works” definition is the default apps should work without missing features, however you’re not wrong, alternatives do exist.
Fair enough. Guess we just have different views when it comes to that then.
For me “it just works” is much more about the OS. Sending files between my Apple devices in high quality within seconds without internet, browsers and files syncing, having my Airpods switch from phone to Apple TV with the press of a button/automatically, face-id not failing 50% of the time, the watch works when I speak to it and does what I want it to.
These are by no means crazy and things, but I struggle daily at work with my none Apple headset, the windows computer, my android phone. It just “does not work” smoothly. And they all sync horribly with each other for some reason. Files are not easily shared I often end up having to email myself, my headset that cost $400 lives it own life, features are automatically turned on again and again by themselves, for some reason. I have to restart my Microsoft IDE at least 10 times a day. Stuff like that.
You do not get all the features, that’s for sure. But you get less friction. I think that’s what most are getting at with it just works. Less friction.
Apple devices are just status symbols. And as such, too many people that cannot really afford them buy the devices and have to tell themselves there’s a rational reason to. That’s also why they cheer record financial figures, passionately fight criticism or tell people having technical issues that it’s their fault. It’s basically Stockholm syndrome.
I’ve yet to have an android (and I’ve had a few…) that kept up reasonable performance for more than ~2 years. And yes, I’m talking about flagship Samsung, htc, lg, and google phones.
Android has a ton of extra functionality, but while a tough choice, I have been fine using my iPhones. My iPhone 7 lasted 4 years before I decided to upgrade. And my iPhone 11 has been in service for 3 years, though released 4 years ago. Oh and when I broke my 11s screen, the 7 was a perfectly serviceable backup while I waited for a replacement screen to come in, even at 7 years old.
There’s apparently 25% of iPhone users running 4+ year old phones. We’re not your typical status symbol idiot.
I’ve used both iphones and Androids. Battery performance degrades past 2-2.5 years regardless of brand or OS.
If you replace the battery only, the iphone is still snappier because the android probably has a bunch of junk slowing it down. That’s the downside of having more freedom to install and store stuff in your phone. If you reset it, it works just fine. iOS gets around this by preventing users from doing anything. My jailbroken iphone had the same problem after 2 years.
There are some light users who would rather not have to deal with that, and prefer a locked-down OS. That’s fine. For me, having to jailbreak just to sideload apps is a dealbreaker, so I use Android.
Having only one dominant OS is bad for consumers anyway.
The factory reset to restore performance only ever worked for me with the pixel. But it had GPS issues and I had to abandon it when I was doing deliveries.
Samsungs felt great, only for a short period of time, or completely void of apps.
Others either never had good performance, or in the case of one of the HTCs I had, great performance, with atrocious battery life.
Trust, I love android, but it’s such a chore trying to find a good phone that lasts. I’d hope it’s better now, I’ve been out of the android game for ~5 years (I was dual wielding phones for a while, then still tinkering w android for a bit) but prior to that I had lots of fun tinkering with my androids for like 9 years.
I’m just so hesitant to go back, because I know iPhones are fine. Androids are a gamble…. especially if I’m not planning on replacing it in a year or 2.
Android phones from the last 4-5 years are still completely usable after multiple years. I have a OnePlus 5 (from 2017) that I keep as a backup device which is perfectly usable even if the battery life is now quite weak. And unlike iPhones even after OS updates stop you can continue to install, use and update any apps without restrictions or minimum OS requirements on Android.
It’s not a big deal? I didn’t even remember there were no offline maps. I haven’t had any connectivity problems in the last several years I guess. I flip back and forth between Apple Maps, Google maps, and Waze depending on my needs or if I forget.
Once again, I’m still trying to figure out how apple users can defend this. Yes, Google maps had this feature, but everytime I talk to apple users I’m always told they got their phone because “it just works!”. But then I learn that features I consider basic at best are completely missing. If my iphone should “just work” I expect the features I want to exist without another app installation. Things on iphone only seem to work if you don’t know anything better.
The ability to put home screen icons where I want them.
A back gesture that works everywhere, and doesn’t require me to hunt and peck because the app developer has invented some random unique gesture ‘because’.
Stupid thing is both of these could be added in a minor software update, but I’ve been holding by breath for a decade now…
As I have to use both platforms for development those are the things that I notice most.
People keep saying this and yet this has literally never happened to me in 5 years of using iOS. Maybe don’t use apps developed by people that don’t know what they’re doing? Developers can disable the back button on android too if they hate their users.
They can’t… in android the OS defines the navigation. Back works everywhere. You can do wierd stuff to make back do silly things and go to the wrong screen, but that takes a bit of effort.
In iOS, so far I’ve seen… swipe left, swipe right, swipe from the bottom, click ‘back on a button on the left’, tap on the screen to bring up a button then click that…
Some actions are impossible… you click on a link in mail to see for example a tracking number… for me a daily occurrence. There is no back gesture available, you have to go back to the home screen and restart the mail app, which is utterly stupid especially when you have to do it multiple times.
On android it’s simple. Want to go back? Wiggle your right thumb. Done.
The OS should define navigation. Always.
I don’t know if I understand you correctly, but it’s actually very possible to go back to the previous app with just one swipe. No need to return to home screen. I have iPhone 11 Pro (should work the same for any newer models too) and you just swipe at the bottom from left to right and it will switch to the previous app you had open. You can do the same gesture from right to left to go forward to the next app. You can continue the same to shift through all your recently opened apps.
Also just pulling up on the bottom will bring up all your open apps in recent order. I omit that a single press button is quicker, however I prefer not to have any on screen buttons or off screen buttons so it’s fine for me
I don’t see anyone in the Apple forums defending the lack of offline maps. The reaction is more along the lines of “fucking finally.”
People use Apple Maps for the Siri integration and or if they find the maps less cluttered. For long trips in dead zones, Google was always king.
To be fair, unlike previous years iphone releases I’ve seen more skepticism than normal. I fully expected diehard apple users to be resenting the removal of the lightning connector due to excess charging cables. And while those comments exist, it is a very small minority of people. However with that said I don’t fully understand the mindset of buying a phone that has limited or obsolete hardware / software. (ergo headphone jack, ergo missing software feature, ergo USB 2.0 from 23 years ago)
Apple have really turned the “let’s screw over our customers” dial up to 11 this year.
The normal iPhone will be limited to 2.0 USB speeds whereas the Pro will have access to 3.0 USB speeds. There’s literally no reason to limit the normal iPhone to 2.0 speeds except to be dicks. I fully expect the likes of Lewis Rossman to announce that it’s just a software setting that can be changed if you jailbreak your iPhone
Idk, on the Pro they said the sun controller is built into the SoC. So they couldn’t just use last years soc and still give usb3 to the non-pro phones.
Or at least it would have cost more in components and design. But maybe they should have done it. Idk, I doubt the typical iPhone user cares.
Are you a fanboy from 2009? No one cares about any of these things you’re complaining about up and down this thread.
The non-pro has last years SoC which doesn’t have usb3. It’ll probably have it next year.
Mystery resolved.
Basically iPhone users don’t know what they don’t have because they never bothered to look outside of their little walled garden. There are some good features of iPhones (like 3) but mostly they’re just been sold as a lifestyle product.
or… some people just prefer iPhone? Disliking android os doesn’t make me tech illiterate
e: for relevance, I don’t like google analytics and in its current state I consider apple a lesser of two evils (marked up hardware vs advertising company). I don’t want to spend time configuring an android phone to my tolerance levels when I can just use the same tech I’ve been using for years with hardly any issue.
Let me introduce you to the case we’re apple handed over private information to hackers pretending to be feds.
https://www.macrumors.com/2022/03/30/apple-user-data-forged-legal-requests/
Downloading Google maps is an option. I have never used Apple maps.
Competition is good, so I like that iOS provides an alternative to Android.
I still consider the lack of sideloading without jailbreaks a dealbreaker for iOS though.
Apple Maps + CarPlay is so much better than Google Maps + Android Auto that the latter is embarrassing.
I say this as someone that has owned Android phones since the very beginning (HTC Dream/T-Mobile G1).
I’ve never seen or used CarPlay. Mind telling me what I’m missing out on as an Android Auto user?
Not the person you replied to; I found the UI to be terribly laid out. Text is too small, too much wasted blank space. This was on a Pixel 6 Pro. Not sure if I’ve tried it on the latest OS.
Depends on the car
That maybe, but CarPlay has been good on every car I’ve ever used it in. I have the first gen screen size ratio, nothing crazy.
Your anecdote is appreciated
Out of curiosity, how often do you talk about smartphone choice? I’ve never once heard “it just works” in real life, nor have I really talked about what phone I use or why. It’s not a subject I’d purposefully avoid either.
Well it tends to come up for me because I’m the tech person around the house and at work, so phone and other device / software recommendations tend to come my way. I don’t really care what phone you use, I ain’t that much of a prick.
“It just works” is more or less accurate. Apples ecosystem is tightly integrated and we are only now starting to see these features come to Windows and ChroneOS, and they don’t work as well.
Most apple users never even wanted or used an Android phone, so our collection of basic features are different than theirs (ours is superior, of course)
That it just works does not mean I’m bound to Apple apps only. It just works includes having fantastic third party apps that do the job when Apples are lacking.
Calendar, mail, maps, music, password manager and the likes are such for me. But it still “just works”.
Missing features at OS level is one thing. But missing features in a goddamn app, when there are alternatives? Common…
I think part of the “it just works” definition is the default apps should work without missing features, however you’re not wrong, alternatives do exist.
Edit: spelling
Fair enough. Guess we just have different views when it comes to that then.
For me “it just works” is much more about the OS. Sending files between my Apple devices in high quality within seconds without internet, browsers and files syncing, having my Airpods switch from phone to Apple TV with the press of a button/automatically, face-id not failing 50% of the time, the watch works when I speak to it and does what I want it to.
These are by no means crazy and things, but I struggle daily at work with my none Apple headset, the windows computer, my android phone. It just “does not work” smoothly. And they all sync horribly with each other for some reason. Files are not easily shared I often end up having to email myself, my headset that cost $400 lives it own life, features are automatically turned on again and again by themselves, for some reason. I have to restart my Microsoft IDE at least 10 times a day. Stuff like that.
You do not get all the features, that’s for sure. But you get less friction. I think that’s what most are getting at with it just works. Less friction.
I agree, the features apple does implement do tend to be more polished or at the very least not annoying to the user.
Apple devices are just status symbols. And as such, too many people that cannot really afford them buy the devices and have to tell themselves there’s a rational reason to. That’s also why they cheer record financial figures, passionately fight criticism or tell people having technical issues that it’s their fault. It’s basically Stockholm syndrome.
I’ve yet to have an android (and I’ve had a few…) that kept up reasonable performance for more than ~2 years. And yes, I’m talking about flagship Samsung, htc, lg, and google phones.
Android has a ton of extra functionality, but while a tough choice, I have been fine using my iPhones. My iPhone 7 lasted 4 years before I decided to upgrade. And my iPhone 11 has been in service for 3 years, though released 4 years ago. Oh and when I broke my 11s screen, the 7 was a perfectly serviceable backup while I waited for a replacement screen to come in, even at 7 years old.
There’s apparently 25% of iPhone users running 4+ year old phones. We’re not your typical status symbol idiot.
I’ve used both iphones and Androids. Battery performance degrades past 2-2.5 years regardless of brand or OS.
If you replace the battery only, the iphone is still snappier because the android probably has a bunch of junk slowing it down. That’s the downside of having more freedom to install and store stuff in your phone. If you reset it, it works just fine. iOS gets around this by preventing users from doing anything. My jailbroken iphone had the same problem after 2 years.
There are some light users who would rather not have to deal with that, and prefer a locked-down OS. That’s fine. For me, having to jailbreak just to sideload apps is a dealbreaker, so I use Android.
Having only one dominant OS is bad for consumers anyway.
The factory reset to restore performance only ever worked for me with the pixel. But it had GPS issues and I had to abandon it when I was doing deliveries.
Samsungs felt great, only for a short period of time, or completely void of apps.
Others either never had good performance, or in the case of one of the HTCs I had, great performance, with atrocious battery life.
Trust, I love android, but it’s such a chore trying to find a good phone that lasts. I’d hope it’s better now, I’ve been out of the android game for ~5 years (I was dual wielding phones for a while, then still tinkering w android for a bit) but prior to that I had lots of fun tinkering with my androids for like 9 years.
I’m just so hesitant to go back, because I know iPhones are fine. Androids are a gamble…. especially if I’m not planning on replacing it in a year or 2.
Android phones from the last 4-5 years are still completely usable after multiple years. I have a OnePlus 5 (from 2017) that I keep as a backup device which is perfectly usable even if the battery life is now quite weak. And unlike iPhones even after OS updates stop you can continue to install, use and update any apps without restrictions or minimum OS requirements on Android.
It’s not a big deal? I didn’t even remember there were no offline maps. I haven’t had any connectivity problems in the last several years I guess. I flip back and forth between Apple Maps, Google maps, and Waze depending on my needs or if I forget.
Marketing.