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Here I go commenting again 😂
I had to add that because people like to read a title and jump to conclusions like this is some kind of random political article.
I find this type of information in video form to be insufferable. Just like putting something like “watch before commenting” in your title.
Then read the Transcript and look at the sources.
I find people whom jump to conclusions based on a title insufferable.What conclusion do you think I’ve jumped to?
Also, transcripts don’t solve the problem of shit content designed for video. It’s the same script.
What conclusion do you think I’ve jumped to?
Not you, but others clearly have.
Also, transcripts don’t solve the problem of shit content designed for video. It’s the same script.
And? The Transcript shows you annotations to the sources. If you don’t want to watch the video or read the Transcript then go read the 48 different sources compiled to make the video.
Too many sources to read & go through? Sounds like a you problem.
shit content designed for video
There’s your conclusion you jumped to right there.
No jumping involved. I read the transcript, it’s shitty clickbait content. You’re being awfully hypocritical with your assumptions.
I don’t disagree with the conclusions, the issue is with how it’s being presented.
shitty clickbait content.
No it’s not. You realize a video title can be true to a videos content without giving everything away right?
You ever hear “Don’t judge a book by its cover”? This is it.
I totally get it. I’m just tipsy on a long train ride haha.
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Yea the title might be a bit clickbaity
Then you do get it.
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“nearly anonymous on custom ROMs” - you really believe that, don’t you?
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i have nothing against him and i’m glad snowden did, what he did, but just because he was “in the loop” over a decade ago does not make a recommendation today a big selling point unless for some reason he still has access to the newest nsa tech from his russian exile.
Michael Bazzell from Intel Techniques and the Privacy, Security and OSINT Show recommends it over iOS as well. I have never heared a credible argument for iOS over GrapheneOS. Personally, I wouldn’t even know where to begin if I had to make one without just completely lying about everything.
GrapheneOS enhances Android privacy by isolating your device’s activity, providing a level of anonymity that’s not found in standard iOS and Android setups. In GrapheneOS, only you, the recipient, and the cellular mast you’re connected to are privy to your call information.
In contrast, with iOS and default Android, Apple and Google have visibility into all your connections. While there are many nuances to this, I hope this gives you a clearer picture.
pretty nice stuff, too bad one has to by a certain phone sold by google to take advantage of it.
It’s indeed an issue. Several manufacturers like Xiaomi or Samsung lock their devices, which can make it quite challenging or even impossible to install custom software. Ironically, Google is the most open vendor if you’re interested in customising your device.
yeah, i’m hearing about that for like 10, 11 years now. “android is le based, if you install the rom flavor of the month - let’s just hope you don’t need a banking app, heh”.
Almost all banking apps work on GrapheneOS.
https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
Stock Android still offers way more potential for privacy than iOS does.
Banking apps work fine, stop peddling this myth.
that’s great! now tell me how i can install grapheneos on the samsung device i just got because i don’t want to spend more than 200 bucks on a phone?
ps.: don’t bother. the app of my bank is not supported. and it’s a major european one.
GrapheneOS supports all banks because they implemented the SafetyNet required for banking and other high-risk applications.
It’s not the fault of GrapheneOS that there are so few phones with the necessary security. They can’t reprogram your hardware.
More importantly, it doesn’t change anything about Android > iOS.
There’s an addendum, it depends on how Android is used. If a person gets everything from Play Store which means they logged in to a Google account, Android is disgusting compared to iPhone.
However if a person disables the various Google services and sideloads all of the apps, then yes, Android is superior to iPhone for privacy.
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Saving me and potentially others almost 20mins. Not all heroes.
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I think they are trying to say that the title is not an accurate representation of the video, not that the video is inaccurate.
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You seem to think a lot of the video.
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I didn’t get that from any of the comments.
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Not everyone has time to commit to a 17-minute video.
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Thanks, reading it is much better then having some read it to me slowly.
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I thought it was just to make songs sound more exciting. Anyway, I’d rather read it.
The video is 17 minutes. Their comment is 2 sentences.
Their 2 sentences doesn’t cover everything, it’s barley surface level. Their comment isn’t any where near a summary of the video.
Just look at how many sources are in the video description.It provides far more information than the shitty clickbait title. It actually informs people on the content of the video.
The title really isn’t that clickbait.
YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT
Somehow, a few people here actually DON’T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT – 17 minutes of comprehensive analysis and well supported arguments in favor of the claim in the title.
so i just browsed through the transcript. the first segment is a political topic about how apple is censoring the appstore on request of the chinese central government from a few years ago and how bad it is, conveniently ignoring that google runs a dedicated, ccp-friendly version of google - https://www.npr.org/2018/08/02/634827587/google-testing-a-censored-search-engine-just-for-china / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China
it continues to say that android is not google and can be used without google and that there are alternative appstores and that apple does not have this - conveniently ignoring that there are altstores for jailbroken iphones for around 15 years now, that in the EU sidloading is a must-have feature in the near future (or maybe it’s already there with ios17, i haven’t checked yet), also enabling altstores without jailbreaks. it’s also very common to have the “eternal test flight” to offer apps that are for whatever reason not on the appstore to get installed with a one-link-tip.
continuing, the video goes on about how on android one can just log out of google and not use gapps, even uninstall ist, conveniently ignoring the gigabytes of undeletable bloatware from vendors that keep going on to collect your data. “install graphene os”, like the pixel is the sole android device in existence.
following is an excerpt about how apple defines tracking and that it still has tracking capabilities, even if you disable app tracking, conveniently ignoring that there are several apps like protonvpn that prevents tracking in general. there is also a focus on iapps, pretending that one HAS to use the calender, not mentioning more privacy friendly alternatives. at least encrypted icloud is mentioned, but privacy relay isn’t, also no word about built-in mail aliases.
near the end we get the old “YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN ANDROID VERSION”-routine, once more shilling graphene without mentioning that one has to buy an iphone price tagged pixel to install it, not going down that installing a rom is way out of the skillset of karen mcnormie who just got the newest samsung thrown at her by her carrier for signing up another two year extension of her contract. finally, there is a mention of ios opening up in the eu.
TLDR; it’s yet another video trying to sell grapheneos, ignoring that most devices cannot even flash it and basically that a rom maintained by a single guy in india who claims it’s very privacy respecting is better than getting an iphone.
edit: some typos.
conveniently ignoring that google runs a dedicated, ccp-friendly version of google
If you had paid any attention, you’d know that the point was that on Android it’s way easier to simply not use the Play Store (without compromising your security even), so Google doesn’t have nearly as much control.
conveniently ignoring that there are altstores for jailbroken iphones
It is much less accessible, less supported and can be a security risk. If it was so easy, why didn’t the people in HK simply do that?
conveniently ignoring the gigabytes of undeletable bloatware
Still better than iOS, which is the point of the video.
conveniently ignoring that there are several apps like protonvpn that prevents tracking in general
Using ProtonVPN doesn’t “prevent tracking in general” and that you think it does is showing about how qualified you are on this topic.
shilling graphene without mentioning that one has to buy an iphone price tagged pixel to install it, not going down that installing a rom is way out of the skillset of karen mcnormie
You can get a Pixel for less, but do you know what also is iPhone price tagged? iPhones.
There’s a web installation for GrapheneOS not shown in the video that is so easy my grandma might be able to do it given some time.
a rom maintained by a single guy in india who claims it’s very privacy respecting
This is so far from the truth that you might as well say it’s currently maintained by an alien on mars.
TLDR - for the sake of yourself and everyone that might be misled by your misinformed comments, please educate yourself. Everyone has to start somewhere, and admitting you don’t know what you’re talking about is much more respectable than typing bs because you don’t know any better. You can start your journey by actually watching the video while paying attention, or alternatively reading about GrapheneOS on their official website.
without mentioning that one has to buy an iphone price tagged pixel to install it
That bit is misleading. I bought the 6A for £299 when the 7 came out. You cannot buy a new iPhone for £299.
But yeah, not watched the video as it probably is as bad as you describe.
Please don’t trust what they wrote and think for yourself. They clearly have no idea what they are talking about, as I explained in another comment.
I don’t know about Europe but the cheap iphone (SE I think unless they changed the name I don’t follow apple too much) is the same price as the 6a.
add another 100 or wait for a sale and you can go home with an SE. new pixels are within the same price ranges as iphones, depending the configuration.
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tldr - Full of shit.
TL;DW
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The Apple fanboys didn’t like this one. Look at all these rage replies from people who have no idea what they’re talking about. How dare you criticise their favourite anti-consumer corporation?!
well, no. the video is not so much about “apple bad” but about cherrypicking and leaving out inconvenient points on both sides to make the message of the video work. no one here (but you) brought that kind of sentiment up.
Your (to date) 8 comments in this thread suggest otherwise lol
thank you for reading AND counting them.
Did you not see what Google is shoving into Chrome?
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It is on the subject of privacy. Chrome and Android are owned by the same company.
Did you watch the video? The Android Open Source Project isn’t owned by Google. Even if it was, the point of the video is that you have the choice not to use Chrome or any other Google service on android. Android offers about the same average base level of privacy and security as iOS does, but with much more potential. That ranges from uninstalling Google apps to flashing custom ROMs like GrapheneOS.
The Android Open Source Project isn’t owned by Google
One of those things that technically is true but in practice it isn’t. Just like chromium. Google is the main influencer of the project and it’s naive to think otherwise.
Never said Google wasn’t the main influencer. Doesn’t change anything about what I said.
Just correcting because your comment insinuated that google doesn’t have significant influence over android, which is far from the truth. They could as well own it.
I didn’t mean to dispute or address the rest of the comment.
Ok, that’s fair:)
Who contributes the most to Android and push forward new releases?
Google. I never said otherwise and it doesn’t change anything about what I or THO said.
Fine. But you can’t obviously say Android is somehow better at privacy when its biggest contributor to the code and ecosystem is a fucking indecisive ad company.
Do you not understand the meaning of “open source”?
An evaluation of good or bad an OS is for privacy should first and firemost focus on the actual OS, not the biggest contributer. It is an important point, and it would be way way more important if Android wasn’t open source. But it is, and it can easily be checked by security researchers. So saying Google bad (which I agree with ftr), and everything Google touches bad, would not only exclude you from many open source projects like linux, it would also not be a good aporoach to make a good, informed choice about your digital life.
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oh, so it’s one of those videos that tell us, that the underlying project is not bad at all, but like 98% of all installations are riddled with invasive or outright privacy hostile software because it get’s GOOGLED before shipping unless i install a rom that’s not compatible with most devices and that i have to throw money at google to buy a pixel to escape the botnet i just paid for to check in?
Maybe, dunno, just watch the video?
The comparison is between Android and iOS, not Android and some fictional perfectly-private-and-secure-by-default OS. Even if you don’t want to put GrapheneOS on your phone, on Android you can very easily take steps that take you further than would be possible on iOS.
i’ve read the transcript and it’s a superficial, biased video about how grapheneos is better than ios because … well, because they say so, leaving out all the inconvenient stuff.
So you’re not just of the opinion that Android isn’t more private and secure than iOS, but GrapheneOS isn’t as well?
In this case I don’t think taking this any further makes much sense. It isn’t my data and security at risk. I just sincerely hope that you don’t have too severe of a threat model.
