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Who here is going to put their ID and photo on X/Twitter
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Nobody, absolutely nobody should trust that idiot with your ID.
If you always wanted to leak your ID to a bunch of hackers thanks to poor security practices, this is a great opportunity for you to do so
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then is trying to lose as little money as possible from this ordeal
Bro he could have just bought it and done nothing and he would have been better off. I don’t have the same read that you do. My read is that he had specific strategic political interests in buying it and the money/ value/ revenue shit is secondary.
He was actually forced to buy it after suggesting it
But the point remains that doing nothing would have brought more value so I agree that he isn’t trying to recoup lost money here
Yeah he probably is just playing with his new toy
But then he wouldn’t be able to use it to influence the US presidential election.
Nah, his entire goal was to take something away from the woke liberals and journalists and make it a Safe Space for fascist snowflakes.
or everyone could recognize that he is far more malevolent toward you than any hacker could possibly be, but yeah, they definitely have no security that worries about YOUR data
Nothing the credit agencies don’t already leak every year or two…
It’s not about trusting some idiot. It’s about attaching your identity to your activities online. I remember when these websites used to advise against doxing yourself.
Then swatting opponents will be much easier
I mean this whole process is explicitly for the purpose of attaching your identity to your online activities. If you don’t want to do it, just don’t.
I shudder to think of what will happen when hackers inevitably get into Twitter servers and steal all those IDs though…
It has already happened before. It will happen again.
Yeah. I’d rather hand it over to the weird guy at the bus stop. At least he’s not a billionaire douche bag.
It feels like even random software crackers are safer than Elon
Meth addicted inbred sociopathic hamster human hybrids are safer than Elon.
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Guessing, millions of people will feel obligated to share their ID. Not everyone can be saved
Ironically, it’s going to be a bunch of “libertarian” tech bros who use crypto for “privacy” who will be the first to give Musk (and by proxy every world government) their ID.
Probably most monero users dont use kyc exchanges so i dont think they will use kyc twitter let alone the first ones. This may kill twitter, but there is lots of stupid out there like those crypto and bitcoin users lol so you never know.
He’s gonna dox all the liberals/lefties. Wouldn’t be surprised if this wasn’t the original plan.
And journalists if they report on him negatively, or oppose his Russian “peace” talk suggestions, even if it puts their career in danger where they live. Peak freedom of speech absolutism!
Many will just go along with this bollocks…🤦🏻♂️
Very interested to see how the “small government” crowd deals with this.
Didn’t voat or truth social or something require IDs and the idiots all flocked to it?
I think that was Parler for the whole 3 mooches it was a thing.
Glad mooch remains a unit of measurement.
Dunno about the others, but I specifically remember Parler required users to attach their IDs to their profiles if they wanted to be verified.
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As one of the “small government” crowd I’m not trusting that douchebag with my information.
Shouldn’t trust Twitter users either, they’ll take an out of context joke you made back in 2011 and ruin your life over it.
Honestly, just fuck talking to people online. Literal no good will ever come of it. I’m just gonna stop communicating with people.
This shit is so dumb, no upside, only downsides
Ackshually, it’s upvotes and downvotes ☝️🤓
bruh lololol
Instructions unclear. Uploaded my social security card and DNA samples.
I would trust pornhub with my ID more than I’d trust that asshat with it.
They’d at least understand the need for privacy
They’re probably just using some third-party software specialised in KYC…
Twitter aside, if any website or app ever asks this of you, please nope the fuck out.
I guess it only occasionally makes sense for government web sites and banks. X might have ambitions to become a bank, so in that sense it might make sense.
So another piece of advice: if twitter ever asks you if you want to start using it for banking, nope the fuck out.
You Americans should get to this century and start performing digital strong authentications like the rest of us. Sending picture of your ID to anyone is insane :)
How we do it here in Finland is that there are digital identity providers which use bank/mobile carrier to identify you. They then use MFA when identifying you. Any service can use these services to do strong authentication for you. And they don’t cost anything for the customer, and is really cheap for the company who wants to identify you. It is also build into the law that you must identify people using these, to avoid identity theft.
We’re still trying to decide if slavery was wrong give us some time
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Half our country thinks that would be the mark of the Beast or some shit.
We have that
How doss your bank identify you?
When you walk in, the guy goes “hey Sam! I tupped your mom the other night.”
By the card they issued me when I opened the account.
But how did they authenticate your identity when you opened the account? I’d not trying to be an arse - but at some point it will likely have come back to matching some official photo id against your face.
It’s not like the bank KEEPS your ID
They once identify you from your driver’s license, government id card or passport. After that you for example link your smart phone to you, and you use their app when you identify.
You can also use mobile carriers, they send a push notification directly to you phone+sim. Not sure what protocol they use here, because it opens up an UI which is plain android, and asks pin.
Everything relays on chain of trust that since one service has identified you, the next can trust too. Plus there is MFA to verify that you actually made the identification request.
The initial argument was ‘sending is to anyone is insane’ but that’s what you do with the bank. Yes it’s only once - but that’s the same as the other systems we are taking about here.
I mean that’s how it’s like here in the States too. Show your paperwork at registration and that’s it.
Idk, I’ve got my hands in a lot of financial cookie jars, and I don’t recall ever being asked for something like this. At the very least, not in this manner.
It’s pretty standard for European banks thanks to Know Your Customer laws.
If you keep in mind that it’s only done with special certified subcontractors, then yes. I would never give that information directly to a company like X. And yes, also those special companies are more times shady than they should be, but still.
Call it Twitter please
If you keep in mind that it’s only done with special certified subcontractors, then yes.
Dunno what you’re talking about here but I’ve had to go through something similar every time I’ve opened a new account with a financial service.
But yeah, I would not trust Twitter/X either. Musk is too much of an emotional child following whatever whim takes his fancy that day.
I know there’s a similar-ish process for accessing Spanish social security services online at least, and I believe it’s the same for some other services as well.
Then again, Spanish public services are not exactly the gold standard for digitalization.
Wait are you Spanish too? Those websites look like they’ve been made by a secretary’s cousin that only knew how to copy and paste in the 90s
I just have a few Spanish friends! And from what they’re telling me that’s probably exactly how these websites were made.
I mean, most public computers are very old too. Like 20 years old at leat
I have the opposite experience but maybe it’s just different in the EU
He’s definitely pushing for Twitter to be the next WeChat.
Can’t wait for the social credit system
To follow his dystopian vision of Twitter as the Everything app, in the US it will have to be a bank at some point. The same way that Apple is now a bank in order to power parts of their wallet and payment platforms.
Yeah, PayPal sure as fuck ain’t a bank. And the same douche started that.
Max Levchin, Peter Thiel, and Luke Nosek own Twitter?
The only government function that has ever wanted a “selfie” was for my drivers license and passport. Both of which feature that picture. But I’ve never done either through a site.
It’s stupid as well, because it’s impossible to authenticate an id or passport from a photo. You can just photoshop something and send that in.
incorrect. it is actually fairly easy to authenticate an id or passport from a photo. Photoshopping something is easily spotted by a trained eye. Source i work as a document expert for an online ID verification company. the amount of fakes we spot each day are fairly large and its not all automatically processed. Also for those people that don’t know where there data is proccesed. there are actually a lot of laws in place to protect your data for example for EU citizens
So just … photoshop and print a fake ID and ask a stranger to take a picture with it.
I doubt you will see the ID clearly enough to make out the photoshopped parts.
nah thats why we reject on bad quality if we can’t see all the sec features or if documents are printed or on a screen. Things like laser engraving are actually easy to see the difference between Photoshop and real.
Sure, a bad photoshop can be spotted, but you can’t spot it if the forger put in just a little bit of effort. The fact that you can spot some fakes doesn’t mean you spot all fakes.
Hence why we have minimum picture quality were we reject if too low quality plus in 6 years of working i have only seen a handful of fraudsters put in effort. most don’t put in effort and are either shoddy photoshops or people use camouflage passports(aka passports from non existing countries)the thing is that most printing techniques are easily visible on official passports. things like laser engraving and embossing are hard to photoshop and if people try they often look digitally replaced. But for doing my work it also has made we agree that not all companies need every data you have. But yes it does hell that i have done Print design before this job so know about how things are printed plus knowing how photoshop works
YouTube does this sadly.
Seriously???
Only if you want to watch adult-themed videos, which they have been more lenient towards after the introduction of YouTube Kids and this measure. NewPipe and
yt-dlpcan still stream them, though, and you could also interact with the video (like, comment, save to playlists) using the official frontend last time I checked.More lenient?!
I like to watch people playing Hearts of Iron 4 (a WW2 strategy game) and most of the creators avoid saying “Hitler” to avoid getting demonetized and hit with an age check.
It’s getting a lot worse.
What I meant is that fewer videos get removed when age-restricting them is an option. Demonetization of any keywords relating to objectionable topics is still ridiculous, though, especially when the company has major AI research labs that could figure out how to differentiate between use in historical context and propaganda. However, that does not pay the bills and they don’t need more users & creators to be happy about the platform.
Then nope the fuck out of Hetzner then. They asked that of me.
Strange, I don’t remember them asking me that.
Outside of services where you need to access it (ex. school / exams / government services), one beneficial one might be dating apps. There’s an advantage to being verified.
Although none of them ask for ID from what I understand, just “hold up 3 fingers and take a touch your nose” or something…
Now imagine if all websites did
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PayPal did and I need this service for almost any online purchase. Credit card is uncommon here and expensive. :/
Yep. Fuck you airbnb!
This.👆
Don’t do this. Delete your Xitter account and use Mastodon instead.
Xitter
In my head that’s pronounced “shitter”
That is indeed my intent.
Man I never had a Twitter account to begin with, lol. Any Internet site that wants my ID can eat a dick instead because I will straight-up close that tab and 360 moonwalk right out the door.
- While “Safety Dance” plays faintly in the background.
This is the right answer.
Xitler?
I got a mastodon, but there’s nothing there.
You have to work to populate it.
Do you mean nothing as in your feed has barely any posts? Or nothing as is there’s no one interesting to follow?
Give it time. With both Xitter and reddit trying to kill themselves, and Threads dead on arrival, adoption of both Lemmy and Mastodon is going up.
do what i did: bring your friends :>
Friends?
90s: stay anonymous, be careful with strangers, don’t give up any more info than you have to. The internet can be a dangerous place. Also, supervise your kids and have them ask permission to go online.
2010s-2020s: livestream your life 24/7, use real names and emails everywhere when signing up for bullshit, hand your kid a phone and let them go buck wild as well.
How did we stray like this?
It’s also ironic that the same generation of parents telling us to be careful online and “don’t believe everything you see on TV” are the same ones that get their news from grifter pundits and divisive facebook memes generated by Russian bot farms.
It’s remarkable isn’t it? Now we’re the ones telling our parents to turn off the TV and get off the internet or it’ll rot their brains.
growing up these days includes realizing your parents are shameful hypocrites who are knowingly destroying the world
The funny thing is that you probably think you get news legitimately.
But the truth is that it’s all propaganda. The only difference between CNN and Fox, or reddit/Twitter/Facebook, is the angle.
But it’s all bullshit.
‘News’ doesn’t exist anymore, instead of just giving the facts, every article tries to tell you what you should think.
Oh, is this the fabled “bOtH sIdEs” argument?
There’s no ‘both sides’ it’s all ‘media’ and they all really really suck
That’s… the both sides argument.
It is decidedly proven that Fox N*ws is much less factual than any other source of news.
Even they themselves said in court that Fox N*ws is an opinion piece and no reasonable viewer would take them seriously.
So don’t compare actual news groups to something like Fox N*ws. They shouldn’t even be allowed to have the word “news” in their name.
You’re dreaming, friend
If you think somehow CNN or MSNBC or whatever is more factual you really should take a step back and have a real close look at the media. Just as anyone who thinks Fox News is ‘news’
They’re all just two sides of the same fucking coin
Boomers love to give advice and they hate to follow it—even their own!
People got mad when they didn’t know who insulted them online
I still sign up for websites with the following credentials:
Joe Blow 6969 Penetration Ave Beverly Hills, California 90210
I usually use the email “NoneOfYourBusiness@fuckoff.com”
governments and politicians got their hands on it
I miss the 90’s, a better time for sure.
Feels quite dystopian at the moment.
There is absolutely 0 chance I’m sending any documents to the clown in chief
Don’t worry… they are probably going to a “trusted” 3rd party service ;-)
It’s right in the fine print. “Au10tix”, lmao.
Of course there’s an X in the name
elons going to be running X like the hudson construction company
Identity theft as a service… IDaS?
Do we pronounce it Eye-Dass, or can we get away with ID-Ass here ;-)
can i just draw an ID in crayon and send in a selfie of me wearing my sick shades and an N95 mask?
can i just draw an ID in crayon and send in a selfie of me wearing my sick shades and an N95 mask?
The chief twit.
There is absolutely 0 chance I’m sending any documents to the clown in chief
a clown has to make people laugh. it’s a tough job.
imagine elonMusk trying to please people!
But what about Elon?
Man, Elon’s got one hell of a boner for WeChat, huh? I honestly feel embarassed for him. WeChat is WeChat because it’s Chinese – there is no secret formula for Elon to steal. The circumstances which created WeChat simply do not exist in the west and IMO it should stay that way.
Tbf, I think he has wanted to have an everything app going back to his PayPal days. I still think it’s a stupid idea for the American market.
There’s an entire plotline in Startup where the main character is desperately trying to create an everything app after seeing someone in an Asian country with 1 app on their phone.
Spoiler alert - most of the development staff ends up quitting and it bombs on launch because nobody in the West is remotely interested in an “everything” app.
It exists. It’s called android! Honestly though, that’s why Google developed it. They wanted to maintain control and stay as the primary Internet portal for mobile users. Banking, messaging, gaming and productivity all passes through them.
We chat has similar in China but only because competitors were stifled. It won’t work in the west as competition for any aspect will be better for some people and anticompetitive behavior will be clamped down on even if it started to work.
isn’t weChat an app on android?
how does this comparison work?
It’s not the same. It’s Elon thinking it can be with an app, but it can’t. It’s google realising over 10 years ago that to have that level of control in the western markets, you need to have an entire platform, not an app. Elon can’t even get Twitter to do one thing well, let alone all the things.
Maybe not messaging 😂
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Nobody noticed “Be prepared to take a sefie” !?
I can guarantee that this was pushed out the door without any actual forethought or planning. Because Elon probably decreed that it had to be done now, so the devs were forced to push to prod without any actual testing ahead of time.
i can’t think of a better way to handle the rollout of a new identity verification system
Camera must be uncovered.
not my frist language, what’s wrong with it?
Just a typo, should be “selfie”. Indicates poor quality control.
I, for one, want to thank Elon Musk for graciously backing up my highly sensitive government ID (that has my birthdate, eye color, height, weight), my biometric data, and likeness! It is such a nice thing to centralize all my most sensitive data into one giant honeypot waiting to meltdown. It is made even more appealing after he fired the entire staff responsible for maintaining this honeypot!
Over/under before data breach and this all gets leaked?
Considering all the past, current, and future disgruntled employees - I wouldn’t be shocked at all by an insider leaking stuff like this. The company is unstable like its leadership - which isn’t very trust-inspiring.
Well, that’s a possibility too, but I was expecting that they just lose the data through over-work or negligence. Remember, this is the company that DDOS’d itself a month or two ago and had to be told about it on twitter…
Following the theory that the leadership at twitter actually hate the users and are decimating the platform on purpose for the lols, maybe the outcome you suggest is the plan.
Part of me believes this theory, because it’s hard to imagine how someone even with the explicit stated purpose of destroying twitter could have topped the recent developments. It’s almost as if what they’re trying to do is embarrass and degrade the users.
It does say “for up to 30 days”. Would’ve been better if it was 24 hours, but after the initial wave of verifications, there probably won’t be much there.
That is assuming you can trust the company that does the verification for them.
Online banks use this method. I am not happy with this either. It’s government-regulated, so OK (sort of).
A social media site? No, thank you.
Looking forward to the inevitable massive data breach.
Providing this info in the first place is the data breach… 🥴
it’s not a matter of if, but a matter of when.
I mean if you want your identity to be stolen, theres other equally fast ways
Hahahahaha no.
Besides, what makes them think I even have a government ID? I don’t drive and I’d only need a passport if I had to leave the country.
Looooooooots of people don’t have ID.
In america maybe. In lots of other countries every adult has an ID
In the US, you need an ID if you want an actual job or bank account. Apart from living on the streets or living in the woods, I’m not sure how you could function without one.
you only need it if you’re buying alcohol or driving a car. your work gets your social but isnt entitled to your ID, which you don’t have to have or carry if you do have it. You can’t even get a bank account without a contract cellphone, so people without ID use prepaid credit cards you buy at the store and load with cash.
Walmart used to have a ton of options for working class people that didn’t have banking options. Not sure if it’s still the case. Many US workers were full-time employed and housed and did not have a bank account. Check cashing was through Walmart.
Looooooooots of people don’t have ID.
In the civilized world, this is pretty endemic to your country and is actually a problem there as I understand.
Personally, where I live, I couldn’t even vote or reliably buy alcohol if I didn’t have some form of ID to prove my identity or age (okay, I haven’t been carded in years, but it COULD happen). This is OK because everyone is mandated to have ID anyway (and it’s not in any way difficult to get one), so requiring ID for voting, for an example, doesn’t discriminate against poor people like in the US.
That said, X still wouldn’t get my ID. I haven’t even given it to Google, despite them asking me for it so I could watch music videos with a lil bit of swearing or something (Funny thing being, my YouTube account is about old enough that in a year or 2 it can go buy beer here in the EU)
ID is expensive and many poor folk don’t have them, so the “problem” is politically powerful groups implementing ID laws to prevent poor folk from voting. If I didn’t have to have a license, I’d never carry an ID.
Why would an ID be expensive?
In Belgium it costs about 20€ to get one when you first turn 12. And 20€ if you ever lose it.
When people in the US talk about a classist system, it’s more of the structure than the cost. There are state IDs that are inexpensive in most states, but the Motor Vehicles branch (or whatever the state calls their department) that issues the ID are frequently difficult to travel to in lower income areas. Occasionally, the branches are understaffed and information about what can be used as proof of ID isn’t communicated clearly. Combine this with the US’s poor labor laws, and it means that it’s risky for someone to take off work, spend significant time getting to a DMV branch, waiting in line a long time because of understaffing, then be told they need more proof of ID and to do it all over again.
It’s frustrating for me and I have a driver’s license and a white-collar job so I can drive myself to the DMV easily and not worry about losing my job or losing a half-day’s pay.
It’s still kind of messy also because proof of birth by birth certificate wasn’t required until relatively recently. My grandad was never issued a birth certificate. As far as the government is concerned, he didn’t exist until he joined the army. We all have to take his word on when he was born and his name. He told it to the army and had no legal proof before then. So my state establishes identification without using birth certificates, which takes more paperwork and complications.
Additionally, they’re pretty much only open during working hours, and they’re set up to often be an hour+ wait because why staff more than 2 people? It’s a monopoly on a service.
So the ID may only cost $20 but the travel + missed work adds up fast
sometimes I suspect that the DMVs job is to tell people to fuck off until they give up and stop trying. It’s a pretty effective form of voter suppression. You hit the nail on the head, I dont think I could have explained it better. Everything you said is particularly true in southern states where it disproportionately affects black people, they have the poorest infrastructure, no viable public transport, laws forbidding mail in voting and very limited polling places with that are open for very truncated operating hours.
They want two things to happen: ID to be expensive and Voter ID to be mandatory. Nobody wants the poors to vote, especially because statistically people of colour are more likely to be poor.
This is a very American thing isn’t it ? To not have at least a passport
like no one here has a passport. It’s not like your boss is gonna let you leave the country anyway.
According to white liberals, it’s mostly black people that don’t have ID. It gets brought up every time someone suggests making people present an ID card to vote. Most Americans go their whole lives and never leave the country, so passports aren’t as ubiquitous as they are in other countries.
Do you not have a job or bank account?
Driver’s licences don’t count?
They said they don’t drive
Oh, a DL absolutely counts.
If all the ignorant masses don’t wake up to this WEF fuckery and it becomes “normalized” to need this for everything, then you’ll need it to receive your basic universal payment in centralized digital currency. You’ll also need it to incorporate your global “green score” which is like a type of social credit. Once cash is gone and decentralized crypto is illegal to own, most people will comply so they don’t starve. A 100% identifiable human 100% tracked and controlled. Fail to comply to something and your identity gets switched off. Nothing works for you now. This is not fiction. Just pay attention to the agenda of WEF. And if you think this can’t or won’t happen then please explain how the fuck Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn still exist? Every person who is faced with this request for government issued ID for anything that isn’t government should refuse and leave. Trusting these incompetent and abusive corporations with even more private information is illogical. They can’t keep anything safe now. Giving them more won’t “save you from the hackers”. That is a disingenuous deception to double down on control. They care nothing for your privacy, safety or well being. “We had a data breach and your personal information has been compromised. It includes your name, email, phone number, address and government issued ID with face scan. Oops, sorry”.
Everyone needs to say “NO” to this now!Great copypasta, thanks
Asimov would be proud of the world you’ve built in your mind here LoL.
Why would anybody do this?
That’s literally what I thought about installing Chrome and sharing my browsing history with Google. Why would I get a Facebook account and share my name, my face and my daily activities with the entire world. I thought that this is just pure insanity, and nobody will ever go along with this level of stupidity. Oh, boy was I in for a surprise.
Look who is laughing now that Chrome is the number one browser and many websites are only tested on Chrome. FB has so many users that people think it’s really odd that I’m not there with everyone else.
I don’t know why you’re being down voted. You’re making a fair comparison.
I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. Many people don’t understand computers or web browsers. They think they’re safe because they come from big companies and they don’t think those companies are stealing their data. After all, they didn’t enter in any personal info when they installed Chrome.
Sending Twitter your ID is a whole other level. That involves you actively surrendering your personal information.
Expecting people to see both the same way doesn’t make sense to me at all.
Giving your ID to Twitter is indeed on a whole different level. I would never do it, and a lot of people here seem to agree with me.
However, in my previous example I’m pointing out that there are a surprising number of people who don’t see it that way. Just because you and I would never do it, doesn’t mean much. There are always people who just don’t care about privacy or security.
Maybe they don’t know much, or understand what they’re doing, or maybe the social pressure is so great that they feel like they have to get an account. Either way, I would argue that the number of those people is disappointingly high.
Elon promised that if you sign up for a paid premium account and it gets a lot of engagement, then X will give you money. There are a lot of fools who will gladly share their ID for free money. Of course, the money will never come, but that won’t stop the suckers signing up for this.
Exciting times for hackers !
Not only would you lose your SSN as an american citizen, you would also lose your credit score due to automated identity theft and possibly your mortgage (and more!)
I am going to continue not having an account and not having to deal with this.
